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All Forum Posts by: Michael Wagner

Michael Wagner has started 37 posts and replied 805 times.

Post: Help me grow my portfolio

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Is selling off after say 3.5 years an option....so you take the one you've owned for 3.5 years and youll have paid it down to 50% LTV or so....sell it and you'll have the cash to buy 2....? I don't know how many you currently have but if its a handful or more, you could get into a pretty good 3-4 year cycle!

Post: What is the point of investing in real estate NOW?

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three options....keep doing what your doing but dig deeper to find the "better" deals before others do, look in other markets for those types of deals.  Or look in your market at other types of deals (commercial, notes, self storage, etc)

Post: Giving proper notice to tenant

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So if you've decided she has to go, you need to give notice as per the terms of your lease and then proceed with eviction for what is known as "holdover" if she isn't out at the end of the 30 day notice.  So send the notice now giving her til the end of February to be out.  IF she's not out on March 1, file a "holdover" eviction and move forward.  

Post: Giving proper notice to tenant

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First question...why do you want them out?

Your lease should specify the specifics of termination.  I'm guessing you lease converted to a month to month automatically.  If that is so, you would need to give 30 days written notice (certified letter is best). And then hope they leave at the 30 day mark. If not, you will be looking at an eviction which can take 3 weeks to much longer.  Its tricky to get someone to move when they dont want to. Even though you have the legal right to get them out, if you are getting paid and the property is being kept up reasonably well, "kicking" them out can be risky.  Angry tenants won't always pack up and go quietly.  In addition to eviction, you could be looking at intentional damage on the way out.  Hopefully your section 8 program will serve as leverage over them.  Where we are, section 8 will pull a voucher when tenants get out of line with the terms of the lease.

That being said, if you really want them out you can incentive them to move....maybe a couple hundred bucks (given after they sign a move out agreement and are physically out of the unit with all thier stuff) in exchange for the keys is the most cost effective way to go?  Eviction will cost you at least that plus lost rent while you are getting them out (section 8 wont pay after eviction notice is served)....

But again, first thing to figure out is why you want them out and if its worth it to push...maybe gentle pressure to get them out by spring is best course....? Just some things to think about.

Post: Using regular loans to buy RE in cash

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Originally posted by @Lisa Renee:

@Michael Wagner WOW! That is a lot of avenues of credit. That isn't an option I was thinking about at all, but I could definitely try it out. Can I refinance on a home that I paid for in cash? Or would I be refinancing on the personal loan? I apologize for sounding so new. Haha... As far as the credit cards, how did you use a CC from Home Depot for the construction of your house? Supplies and things of that nature or the credit could be spent outside of Home Depot? I'm just curious. 

 As long as your property has enough value and you qualify for the refinance, you can refinance regardless of how you paid for the property initially!  I used the HD CC to buy lumber and supplies from HD. I used other credit card balance transfer checks to put cash into my checking account that was then used to pay folks that i hired to do the jobs I couldnt do myself.

Post: Wondering what the best way to go investing with your adult kids

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Yes, 1099 him.  Pretend he's not your son and treat him like you would any independenct contractor.  That includes making sure that he is truly an IC and not an employee.  Does he do this type (or similar) work for others?  Does he use his own tools (including computer etc) or yours?

I am not an accountant but you will want to speak with one to make sure that he is an IC and find out how to proceed.  You can probably get that info free in an initial consultation or for a modest 1 hr. fee.  Or perhaps a CPA can chime in here and give you something a bit more definitive....

Post: Using regular loans to buy RE in cash

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Yes you can and it can be a great short term option. Closing costs will be much less than traditional mortgage but rates will be higher unless you have an aggressive pay down plan or a refinance plan. We actually did just this to build our own house last year. We owned the land outright but only had $150K cash. As full time investors who have no W2 income are good at keeping our taxable income low;), banks werent clamoring to give us a construction loan. Truth is I didnt even seek bank financing but given this was my first ground up residential build, I'm sure I would have been turned down many times. We used the $150K to get the house half done, then tapped Home depot credit line and other 0% credit cards for the remaining 150K we needed. Upon completing construction, we opened a HELOC for $50K. We are paying the heck out of the CC's and transferring any balance that remains at the end of the intro period to the HELOC. And we now just play musical chairs with the debt to keep effective interest rate under 3%. Will have whole house paid off in August of 2018 which will free up the HELOC and CC's for Investing again.

The caveat to this is that there is inherent risk in using short term money if the deal might turn into a long term hold.  I would be up a creek if my 0% CC intro's dried up and I had to pay the 10-20% regular CC rates.  So not a bad idea to have a plan B to tap into as needed.

Post: The Partner/Deal Catch-22

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Why not look for both.? If you find someone who will be a great partner, you dont want to miss out on that relationship just because you haven't found a deal yet.  Also, you don't want to miss out on a property just because you need a partner and havent found one yet.  Find one and then go out and find the match that goes with it.

Post: Best way to locate Self-Storage deals

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Originally posted by @Jon Q.:
Originally posted by @Michael Wagner:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Michael Wagner  I also recommend if one is to get into the business you need to have facilities that you can afford to have on site management.

 That is certainly true for someone who is not able to or does not want to handle the day to day operation.  But making such a recommendation does require that we first know of one's motivation. As a hypothetical example, If someone is trying to replace a $100,000 per year income that they currently earn working 60 hours a week....they might do very well with a smaller facility (say 20-30K sq. ft)....They could Net darn close to the $100K in income working just 15-20 office hours per week. It always circles back to one's goals for investing.  

My first facility could not support on site management (except for my free labor) when I bought it.  It was only 10K sq. ft. and was losing $2,000 per month when I took it over. It now does much better and is at 30K sq. ft. with 15K more in the future and is large enough to justify onsite management but in the form of a part time manager who puts in 16 hours per week plus appointments.  My second facility is under 20K sq. ft. and doesnt really justify on site management.  I manage it from my cell phone as it is close to home and that works well for us as the first facility made me unemployable:)  The 20,000 sq. ft. facility takes about 5 hours per week of my time and it hums along pretty good.

Micheal,

How many units was each of these deals you referenced?  Would you recommend a minimum size to get started?

In general, what per unit minimum would you need to support an onsite manager?

In regard to debt financing, does SS differ from MF at all? If so, how do?

Thanks!

 My first deal was roughly 80 storage units plus 70 outdoor parking spots.  Only generated$50K in gross revenue when we started but it was only half full and had potential for $100K as it sat.  We've since increased to 170 typical units, 10 covered RV spots with electric and 70 outdoor spots.  Out next 15,000 sq. ft. will add another 100 units or so but will cannibalize the outdoor storage as we are out of space.

Our second facility was 117 units when we bought in 2014.  It is now 200 plus 18 outdoor spots. We will replace the outdoor spots with 25 traditional spots this summer if all goes to plan.

The ability to sustain an onsite manager comes down to finances.  Every market is different so a per unit minimum isnt all that meaningful.  A really expensive (per unit facility) with only 20 garages @ $400 per month might not support a manager in a large market.  But a run of the mill tertiary market facility with 250 units going for $80 on average will easily support a part time manager plus an after hours call center if needed.  With that, its better to look at the facility as a whole as opposed to "per unit" calculations.  Unit mix can also have dramatic effects on per unit calculations as well as type of management required.  5' x 5' units will get more per square foot but will turnover much more frequently than a 10' x 40' unit will and will therefore require more "management.

As for financing,  I think you will find it similar to MF except that up until recently (say 5-10 years ago) it was harde to find lenders with experience in the sector.  Now that the SBA is willing to loan on SS, you will find many more options. Typically, 20% down is pretty easy to come by.  Once a relationship with a bank is developed, 10% down is also doable.  Rates in my area have been around 5% or so in the $250K to $1M range.

Post: Best way to locate Self-Storage deals

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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Michael Wagner agreed if its your only gig that makes sense.

mine was part of many different real estate deal I had going on including a fairly large HML company at the time with 14 employees lending in 12 states.. so mine was 7k sq ft of commreical with 44 units below.. nice stuff all sheet rocked and power with electric garage openers 10X 20's and 3 triples.

and it was across town for us.. so it was hard to manage.. no one wanted to drive an hour for an appointment to show a unit. and I certianly had no time to do it.

that is when I came up with the idea to condo plat it... as all our tenants owned floating homes across the street.. so my thought was if they also owned preminate storage their floating home would be worth more money.. I paid 10k a unit when I bought it.. the 7k sq ft of office was basically free.

I sold each unit for 30 to 35k and the triples for 75k each.. so it was a nice play cash on cash it only took about 6 months and 50k to condo ize it.  this is in portland Oregon.. right off of the columbia river

 That condo play is AWESOME!  Very clever idea and it sounds like it was a real money maker! I've also heard of it working well for RV storage with high end amenities...seems like movable houses (be it on wheels or waves) and condo storage are a good pair!