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All Forum Posts by: Nadine O.

Nadine O. has started 1 posts and replied 87 times.

Quote from @Nick Florio:

I can relate as a CA resident. I have any most of my investments is the Southeast and Florida. For the cost and quality of life, I’d say Florida had the best offering but prices are catching up to CA at this point! Good luck with building that empire!


 Nick - thank you. Yes Florida prices have been increasing a lot in value - what parts of Southeast do you recommend?

Quote from @Padric Lynch:

@Nadine O. Eastern North Carolina has been very good to me. I would recommend checking it out. It's began to heat up, but there are many reasons for the area to continue growing.


Padric, thank you and so glad to hear that! Are there any particular cities or areas? I have heard a lot of good things about Raleigh- although I am afraid the market got too hot there - what do you think?

Quote from @Stephen Brown:

A lot of people are overlooking the Ohio markets. I'd recommend any Ohio city with more than 100,000 in population.


 Thanks Stephen - any neighborhoods in particular you recommend?

Quote from @Corby Goade:

Depends on your short and long term goals. You'll get immediate cash flow in the midwest and south, but not much appreciation. 

I invest in Idaho- excellent appreciation, high quality tenant base and it's one of the most landlord friendly states in the country. 

Best of luck!


Corby - yes since I am starting out I am looking for cash flow on the first investment(s) - however after that I would want appreciation or both. Good to know about Idaho, that has been another popular recommendation! Thank you. 

Quote from @Melissa S Vrobel:

 Hi Blaise,

I grew up north of Pittsburgh but moved to FL in 2005. I can tell you that FL cities are on the top of many lists. The main reasons are no tax state, strong business laws, Strong Landlord leaning laws, and... Oh, yeh, SUNSHINE. Anyone interested in SFH LTR in Orlando area, let me know. Love talking about it. Sadly, my town Harmony.fl is being taken over by large rental companies. Crazy appreciation in the last two years. It doesn't help that Disney moved most of their office people to just North of me (Lake Nona).

I really don't see a softening in our market here.  Rents continue to rise and the house I sold 3 mo ago has appreciated 30k (according to zillow).  Unless the political party changes and clamps down on profits for everyone investing, I don't see it slowing.  

Best of luck @Nadine O. I lived on Howard St in the Financial District.  I loved the food, wine, and hiking in the Bay area.  However, I have found FL to be a much better quality of life.  I went from 0 bd appt to 4bd home for the same monthly expense.  For a while, I continued to visit the Bay area every 5 to 6 weeks, but now 10 years later, I never want to leave my FL town.

Cheers,Mel


Mel - thank you. I have never heard of Lake Nona - since Disney moved their office there, would you recommend it for rental investing?
Quote from @Zachary Inman:

@Nadine O.

Let me throw Indianapolis into the ring. Low cost of living, diversified sectors with rapid development, plenty of mfam properties, and healthy rent growth. On the personal side, it's a great place to live in general. 


 Thank you Zach, will add that to the list - I love that there are plenty of MF properties. Are there any parts of Indianapolis in particular you recommend?

Quote from @Arlen Chou:

@Nadine O. There are a few who have replied about investing in the Bay Area vs leaving to go find a new home. I commend you for wanting to jump into the world of real estate investing, it is definitely a good one. Your question is not only about investing but actually grounded in the more personal aspect of lifestyle. I say this because you are actually planning to move to your investment location. In my perspective this actually makes the decision making process more complicated.

The first baseline assumption is that you and your partner have extremely flexible jobs that would allow you to move anywhere without a dire financial consequence. However, if that is not the case then a considerable amount of time should be spent pondering the ramifications of destabilizing your finances. Although getting your cost of living down is something we all should do, you need to keep your eye on the effects of an income change would have on your DTI. As you will be buying your first property, DTI will be mountain that needs to be tamed and if income goes down the move might not have been worth the effort.

Additionally, the coastal states do offer things that fly over states can't, a basic logistical advantage. In this instance, I am applying this to a personal perspective vs an investment perspective. Do you like to travel? As an example, let's pick Hawaii? It is a direct flight from SFO, OAK or SJC. My daughter lives in Dallas. She has to transit through a west coast hub and essentially travels 24 hours to get to a place that is only 5 hours from the Bay Area. Most of Asia is a direct flight too. From your picture it appears you are young, so transiting might not be a big deal. However, when you get up in years like myself a layover REALLY sucks.

I have traveled to many cities in the US and around the globe. I have yet to find a place with so much cultural diversity. I can literally go to my local grocery store and hear 4 or more languages being spoken. I can get good ethnic food from pretty much any country on the planet within a hours drive of my home. When I was substantially younger, I often would go snowboarding in Tahoe and then have a BBQ for dinner in Santa Cruz for dinner in the same day. Yes, those were long days, but extremely fun. I cannot tell you how blown my mind was meeting people in fly over states who had never seen the ocean. I had one employee come to California, for the first time, who actually stopped to take pictures of the hills in Milpitas because she had never seen a "mountain". I literally thought she was joking, but she had never seen anything like them!

Investing OOS state is pretty much a cut and dry checklist that can be completed. But when you say you are going to move to that location, be very careful to separate the decision making process between your personal goals and investment goals. Live where you want to live and invest where it makes the most sense. Remember "cash-flow makes you rich, but appreciation makes you wealthy".

Good luck!

-Arlen


Arlen- thank you for your thorough response and yes these are excellent factors to take into account. You are right in that we have to separate our investment goals with personal goals. The mixture of great diversity, culture, weather, economy, lifestyle, natural beauty in the Bay Area is hard to beat - but you definitely pay for these factors. I like your message about cash-flow vs. appreciation. You are correct about the OOS checklist, if we go that route building a good team and good system will be the biggest hurdle - but I think once that is accomplished, the process will become less intimidating. We just have to pick our next route and get started.  

Quote from @Chris Varsek:

My two cents - SouthEast WI is stellar.  The job market is absolutely booming due to corporate investment, and demographic patterns are excellent.  Lots of gentrification opportunities in some of the older part south of Milwaukee where the old manufacturing used to be.


 Chris - thanks a lot! I haven't thought about those areas yet, I will have to do more research and will reach out for more questions. Appreciate your input!

Quote from @Olga B.:

@Nadine O. great idea! that's exactly what my husband and I did back in 2017. We moved to Boise, ID (back when it was affordable 😆) now that prices are going crazy we've branched out of state to Indianapolis. Moving out of CA is still the best decision we ever made to get the ball rolling!


 Thanks Olga - so glad you had a great experience  - what part of Indianapolis did you relocate to?

Quote from @Gary L Wallman:
Quote from @Nadine O.:

@Rachael Mathes

Thank you Rachael - I was looking into Ohio (in particular Cleveland) pre-pandemic and had done a lot of research in Cleveland - even getting in touch with an agent at the time there. With all of my research, I keep going to back to Ohio. 

I appreciate your help - I would love to connect and set up a call to discuss soon. Thank you. 


 Nadine,

I personally would recommend southwest Ohio, particularly the Columbus and Dayton suburbs. Much better climate. No lake effect snow. In addition Columbus is growing like mad.

In the Dayton suburbs where I live, housing has appreciated wildly over the past two years and SFR's are more difficult to find, but there are a few still out there that cash flow well.

I recently picked up some condos for 75k each that will rent for about a 1k. HOA fee is $125, so cash flow is good and beats the ole 1 percent rule

Gary


Thanks Gary! Any particular areas of the Columbus and Dayton suburbs you recommend?