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All Forum Posts by: Nathan W.

Nathan W. has started 12 posts and replied 137 times.

@Corbin Loveless We do have data through November. GSMNP is on track to hit about 13M visitors this year. https://irma.nps.gov/STATS/SSR...

Post: 10% CAP RATES Orlando FL STR

Nathan W.Posted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 152
  • Votes 104

The realtor spam in Bigger Pockets is getting bad. 
(Not talking about you Luke)

So many factors. Is this a basic cabin or a high end cabin with a lot of custom features? Pool? Sprinkler system? Steep grade? How much are you paying per square foot? Is it a spec?

I would assume 12-18 months right now to be safe. Some builders have a 2-3 year waiting list as well so that's something to factor in. 

I think your cleaning fees are too low and your OpEx is way too high. 

When I evaluate a deal I take out taxes and cleaning fees. Then I look at the price to revenue ratio which needs to be at least 1.25. So, a $1m property needs to be generating at least $125k a year in revenue (after taxes and cleaning fees are removed) before it starts to look interesting. 

The only way I've been able to get the numbers to work is to build new. It takes a long time and is full of headaches but so far it's worked out well for me. 

Post: Warning for STR Pumpers

Nathan W.Posted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 152
  • Votes 104
Quote from @Collin Hays:


I wouldn't go so far as to say that a real estate professional has a fiduciary obligation to a buyer.  

Actually, Realtors have a fiduciary duty to their clients 

https://www.nar.realtor/sites/...

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Nathan W.:

Is there any asset class where you can significantly overpay and make money in the long term? A lot of people are going to lose money over the next year +. But it has less to do with Short Term Rentals and more to do with overpaying for assets. 

Those who bought right, have a business plan, and reserves will be fine. 2023 might be slow but I don't think it's as doom and gloom as some are making it out to be. 


I don't see "doom and gloom" for the market in general. I just see it for the people that made emotional purchases and over-paid without knowing anything about investing or the market. When they see bookings drop or have to reduce prices, they'll get spooked and back out. A lot of these buyers were cash buyers, which means they can afford to take a hit when sales prices drop. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the next couple of years.


I agree and I have some cash set aside for that very reason. I'm hoping to pick up some deals sometime over the next year. 

Is there any asset class where you can significantly overpay and make money in the long term? A lot of people are going to lose money over the next year +. But it has less to do with Short Term Rentals and more to do with overpaying for assets. 

Those who bought right, have a business plan, and reserves will be fine. 2023 might be slow but I don't think it's as doom and gloom as some are making it out to be. 

I try to keep it as simple as possible. This is my list. 

- It would be helpful to our cleaners if you could load and start the dishwasher. 
- Please take home or dispose of all food items.
- If you logged into any streaming apps on the TV, please log out.

Quote from @Kyle Smith:

Wow, that’s a great investment. You did it right!  The streets of Gatlinburg during peak summer was nothing like last year. If the traffic is any indication I would say there’s been a big drop in vacationers in PF/Gat this year. Several factors for that but they’ll be back.  I figure this year and next will be tough with lower rental numbers but it should creep back up.  


The park numbers are lower, but not by much. They just reported June numbers and the drop was less than 4% https://irma.nps.gov/STATS/SSR...
I know park visitors are not the same as people staying overnight in cabins but there is a strong connection between the two. 

There's a lot to like about Rabbu. It's free, you can view seasonality, and you can filter results (pools, reviews, etc..). 
I do agree that their Revenue Projections can be on the low side though. My favorite feature is their Map tool. This gives you a quick snapshot of how the homes nearby are performing and a link to their Airbnb profile. 

I use a combination of Rabbu and the "enemy" method. One thing to look out for when using the enemy method. A lot of hosts jack up their rates for anything over 90 days. It's easy to look 5 or 6 months out and just assume they are getting a higher rate than they really are.