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All Forum Posts by: Nathan Gesner

Nathan Gesner has started 316 posts and replied 27552 times.

Post: Security cameras on rental property

Nathan Gesner
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  • Cody, WY
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The law probably allows it, but I disagree with it. If your investment is in a community that requires cameras, then it's not a safe community to invest in. I would consider selling and putting your money in a safer community.

Post: Rookie Investor looking to get started

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @Robert Williams:

Hello all. My name is Robert Williams, and I am an ambitious rookie looking to get my feet wet in the real estate pool. | have been reading and researching for two years now, and I'm facing the common problem most newbies face: FEAR. | have yet to take my knowledge, apply it, and get my feet moving. I have attended a real estate investment course with a local face in Louisville, been to numerous meetups, and read books.

I wanted to introduce myself and try to make some connections, and hopefully build some mutually beneficial relationships along the way.


Two years is too long. You need 3-4 months of education, then buy something. Start with a house hack so you get a roof over your head and some landlord experience. Then focus on increasing income, saving up, and buying the next one within 12 months. Don't make it harder than it has to be.

1. Start with BiggerPockets Ultimate Beginners Guide (free). It will familiarize you with the basic terminology and benefits. Then you can read a more in-depth book like The Book On Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner or The Unofficial Guide to Real Estate Investing by Spencer Strauss.

2. Prioritize your financial stability. Eliminate debt, establish a budget, and save. Remember, the notion of amassing wealth without investing is a dangerous myth perpetuated by self-proclaimed experts. A prudent investor doesn't seek quick riches through shortcuts. To thrive in real estate investing, you must maintain a firm grip on your finances. Explore my personal favorites, Set For Life by Scott Trench or The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey, for invaluable financial insights.

3. As you read these books, watch the BiggerPockets podcasts. This will clarify and reinforce what you are reading. You can hear real-world examples of how others have built their investment portfolio and (hopefully) learn to avoid their mistakes.

4. NETWORK!!! Get out of your comfort zone. Stop hanging out with your deadbeat buddies who spend all day drinking, talking sports, and otherwise wasting away. Go to BUILD YOUR TEAM at the top of the screen and look for local investors or meetups in your area. You can also find real estate investing groups through meetup.com, Facebook, or a Google search. Birds of a feather flock together!

5. Now, you need to figure out how to find deals and pay for them. Again, the BiggerPockets store has some books on this topic, or you can learn about it by watching podcasts, reading blogs, and interacting on the forum. A handy search bar in the upper right makes it easy to find previous discussions, blogs, podcasts, and other resources. BiggerPockets also has a calculator to analyze deals, and I highly recommend you start this as soon as possible, even if you are not ready to buy. If you consistently analyze properties, recognizing a good deal will be much easier when it shows up. Find Brandon's videos on YouTube for the "four square" method of analyzing homes and practice. It doesn't take long to learn how to spot a good deal.

6. Study the market. You can learn to do this independently or get a rockstar REALTOR to lead the way. I highly recommend a well-qualified REALTOR who works with investors and knows how to help you best.

7. Jump in! Far too many get stuck in the "paralysis by analysis" stage, thinking they just don't know enough to get started. You could read 100 books and still need to learn more because certain things must be learned through trial and error. You don't need to know everything to get started; you need a foundation to build on, and the rest will come through experience and then refining your education.

You can build a basic understanding of investing in 3-6 months. How long it takes to be financially ready is different for everyone. Once you're ready, create a goal (e.g., "I will buy at least one single-family home, duplex, triplex, or fourplex before the end of 2019") and then do it. Real estate investing is forgiving; the average person can still make money even with some big mistakes.

Post: Ambitious and Eager to Learn

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @Fernando Cueva:

1. Start with BiggerPockets Ultimate Beginners Guide (free). It will familiarize you with the basic terminology and benefits. Then you can read a more in-depth book like The Book On Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner or The Unofficial Guide to Real Estate Investing by Spencer Strauss.

2. Prioritize your financial stability. Eliminate debt, establish a budget, and save. Remember, the notion of amassing wealth without investing is a dangerous myth perpetuated by self-proclaimed experts. A prudent investor doesn't seek quick riches through shortcuts. To thrive in real estate investing, you must maintain a firm grip on your finances. Explore my personal favorites, Set For Life by Scott Trench or The Total Money Makeover by Dave Ramsey, for invaluable financial insights.

3. As you read these books, watch the BiggerPockets podcasts. This will clarify and reinforce what you are reading. You can hear real-world examples of how others have built their investment portfolio and (hopefully) learn to avoid their mistakes.

4. NETWORK!!! Get out of your comfort zone. Stop hanging out with your deadbeat buddies who spend all day drinking, talking sports, and otherwise wasting away. Go to BUILD YOUR TEAM at the top of the screen and look for local investors or meetups in your area. You can also find real estate investing groups through meetup.com, Facebook, or a Google search. Birds of a feather flock together!

5. Now, you need to figure out how to find deals and pay for them. Again, the BiggerPockets store has some books on this topic, or you can learn about it by watching podcasts, reading blogs, and interacting on the forum. A handy search bar in the upper right makes it easy to find previous discussions, blogs, podcasts, and other resources. BiggerPockets also has a calculator to analyze deals, and I highly recommend you start this as soon as possible, even if you are not ready to buy. If you consistently analyze properties, recognizing a good deal will be much easier when it shows up. Find Brandon's videos on YouTube for the "four square" method of analyzing homes and practice. It doesn't take long to learn how to spot a good deal.

6. Study the market. You can learn to do this independently or get a rockstar REALTOR to lead the way. I highly recommend a well-qualified REALTOR who works with investors and knows how to help you best.

7. Jump in! Far too many get stuck in the "paralysis by analysis" stage, thinking they just don't know enough to get started. You could read 100 books and still need to learn more because certain things must be learned through trial and error. You don't need to know everything to get started; you need a foundation to build on, and the rest will come through experience and then refining your education.

You can build a basic understanding of investing in 3-6 months. How long it takes to be financially ready is different for everyone. Once you're ready, create a goal (e.g., "I will buy at least one single-family home, duplex, triplex, or fourplex before the end of 2019") and then do it. Real estate investing is forgiving; the average person can still make money even with some big mistakes.

Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @David Krulac:

@Nathan Gesner in Pennsylvania and I suspect in other tenant friendly states, what you propose is illegal.  Here there have been cases where they made the Landlord pay the past electric bills going back many years and costing thousands of dollars.


He's in Ohio, so there's no need to bring up what other states do.

Post: Common area electricity on multi-tenant properties.

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @Tom Amon:

You need to calculate a fair amount and reduce the rent on both tenants to cover the cost.

Look at a utility bill and you'll see how minimal this impact is. Most of the utility bill costs are base fees. Since the common area doesn't have a meter, you don't have to pay base fees. So you only need to reimburse tenants for actual use.

Look at the actual use for both tenants. Let's say they both use $60 in electricity for a total of $120. The common area probably comprises less than 20% of their total. That's $24 per month or $12 per tenant. It's not even worth talking about.

If you want to get into the weeds, calculate how much energy each item uses (dryer, washer, light bulb, security camera, etc.). Add up the kWh per item, then deduct that from their bills.

It's a complete waste of time. Your common area uses a small percentage. Ensure the common area is equally split between the tenants, put it in writing that their rent includes that cost, and call it a day.

Post: Property manager rent fee suggestion to low?

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @Theanne Tangen:

I hear this a lot from owners. 

"I can rent my place for $2,400 a month. Why are you quoting me $2,200?"

Sometimes, a private landlord is patient and can get a higher price. Sometimes, they just get lucky. Sometimes, the devil is in the details and the deal isn't really as good as it sounds.

As an experienced manager, I know what the market will support to find a quality renter who will pay on time, take care of the home, and stay for at least the term of their lease. If you want a higher price, it comes with the risk of a longer vacancy, a tenant who can't afford the rent, a tenant who breaks the lease to move to something cheaper, etc.

Even if you could rent it for $2,200 a month, it probably won't cover your expenses. You must pay management fees, maintenance, taxes, insurance, and other expenses, such as vacancies.

Post: Why Is My Water Bill So High?

Nathan Gesner
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In over 90% of the cases, it's a toilet that constantly runs or flushes. Landlords need to learn this and educate their tenants to watch for it.

Post: STR by accident

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Well done, but not repeatable in today's market.

Then: Down payment of $108,000 and a monthly payment of $2,100

Now: Down payment of $180,000 and a monthly payment of $4,900

Many of us were simply fortunate with our timing.

Post: Accounting and Property/Tenant Management Software

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Software is a common question on BiggerPockets. Here are some things to consider:

  1. Most investors don't need software until they have 5-10 rentals. You only need a place to track tenant information, payment history, maintenance, etc. You can easily do this on a spreadsheet, and it will take less time to track than finding and learning new software. If the software is not simplifying your life or making you more accurate, you shouldn't use it. Go to Etsy and search for "rental property tracker," and you will find hundreds of nice spreadsheets to track 10-20 rentals, usually for under $10.
  2. Software has extremely helpful features like online payments, marketing syndication (click a button, and your property is advertised on multiple sites), electronic document review/signing, maintenance tracking, and owner reports. Do you need all this for a couple of rentals?
  3. There is no perfect software out there. Every system you try will have flaws, or you may salivate over a feature that appears in other software.

Some familiar names are mentioned frequently: Stessa, Apartments.com, RentRedi, TenantCloud, Innago, RentManager, Avail, Rentec Direct, Doorloop, etc.

I recommend conducting thorough research on each app online to understand their offerings, pricing, etc. Create a simple spreadsheet or written list to compare the features of each and identify the ones that align with your requirements. Try to narrow down your options to the top 3-4. Once you have a shortlist, sign up for an account with each one and test them extensively to see how they function. Perform the same task in each app to ensure a fair comparison.

  • Load a property with pictures and details.
  • Market that property.
  • See what your marketing looks like from the public's perspective.
  • Submit a fake application to see how easy the process is.
  • Run a credit/screening report on yourself.
  • Enter a maintenance request, assign a vendor, and attach a fake invoice.
  • Enter charges to the tenant's ledger.
  • Enter recurring charges and automatic late fees.
  • Sign documents electronically.
  • Run owner reports.

After testing a few apps, one should clearly stand out. It's important to choose that one and commit to using it. Remember, no system is perfect, so avoid the temptation of constantly chasing after the next shiny object. You should only consider switching when your current software has a significant flaw or lacks features that force you to spend excessive time on workarounds. At that point, it's worth researching and finding a solution that better meets your needs.

Post: Best way or how to properly do a background check?

Nathan Gesner
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Quote from @Michael Lynch:

I recommend you include some of your key qualification criteria in the advertisement. For example, I mention that every adult must pay a $30 application fee, pass my credit/criminal background, make a combined income of 3x the rent, and whether or not the property accepts pets. Use the top three or four discriminators so applicants can screen themselves.

Then you need to have clear screening criteria yourself. What's the lowest credit score you will allow? Do you check Landlord references? Do you verify their income? Do you know how to read the credit/criminal background? What if they have collections or judgments?

Here's a detailed guide on how to screen applicants: Application Screening Guide