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All Forum Posts by: Owen Rosen

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Post: Long term/mid term insurance

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Quote from @Maria Lamb:

I have a 4 plex ready to go. Two units are year round, two are mid term. I have been having a heck of a time finding insurance. My insurance agent tried Allstate but they said all units need to be occupied before they write a policy. I’ve heard terrible things about Obie and Steadily. Proper insurance is crazy expensive. My insurance agent found two others but both required an automatic water turn off at the main valve but it’s physically impossible to put one there. I have my first tenant moving in next week!

What did you hear about Obie and Steadily?

Post: Does anyone know of a good insurance broker that covers Los Angeles area?

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Quote from @Jon Schwartz:

@Julie Haggerty, do mid-term rentals require a different kind of insurance? I'm aware that short-term rentals aren't covered by traditional home insurance, per se, but is such the case with stays over 30 days?

Thanks,

Jon


 Some policies require annual leases, some over 30 days, etc. Many different eligibility requirements depending on usage.

Post: Insurance and Asset Protection

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Quote from @Elizabeth Matlock:

We have a lakehouse that we're considering listing as an STR part time. Do we need to convert the deed to an LLC first? Do we cancel our homeowners insurance and replace with commercial insurance?

Not necessarily. Your home insurance might allow for short term rental use with an endorsement but you'll have to discuss with your agent.

Post: Landlord coverage for Indy SFH

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Quote from @Staci Rogers:

Hi Kirsten,

A lot of my clients are using Goosehead Insurance for their investment properties. Goosehead writes through a lot of different companies, so they can find a good fit for you.

Feel free to connect if you would like a recommendation to an agent in the Indy market.

Staci 


Goosehead charges their agents 50% of their commission as a servicing fee and your agent will then try to steer service inquiries to the Goosehead service center.  That's understandable but you'll be dealing with a call center.  

I've not heard good things about their wait times or service standards.  They also have limited market access in many areas because Goosehead has issues with the quality of business they write due to limited "hiring" standards.  I'd be very wary of this setup.

Post: Renter's Liability Insurance

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Quote from @David Perry:

Hello everyone,

Bigger Pockets provided a lease agreement for Arizona which has an option to require the tenant to a include liability requirement in their renters insurance.

I'd like some advice to help me understand if I need to include a liability amount as a requirement and how to adjust this amount for different properties.


Thank you in advance!

-Dave


 I've seen some carriers start as low as $50,000 but I'd recommend requiring $300,000 - the monthly price difference will be negligible.  I know of some great online options if you want to provide a simple/quick way for them to purchase.

Post: How many single family rentals do you keep in one LLC?

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Quote from @Mark S.:

@Owen Rosen What about the insurance advice is ‘was off base’?


1. Umbrella insurance isn't a magical cure all

2. Equity isn't the only thing that needs protection

3. Lawyers and plaintiffs don't only go after individuals/businesses with deep pockets

4. If someone has a 100 home portfolio they should consult attorneys and insurance professionals as that could be quite complex and cannot be answered in a message board post from anyone, including myself.

Post: How many single family rentals do you keep in one LLC?

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Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Owen Rosen

Thanks for the caution.  Now, could you provide suggestions in her case or other case scenarios?  


 I really can't.  I know nothing about her, her finances, or her situation.  Beyond that I'm an insurance professional and provide insurance not legal advice.


You can certainly say something like :If the first property hits $100,000 (or $200,000) equity then you should do so and so. Or it's not a good idea to put more than 'this much' property within one LLC and why. Providing caution without some suggestions rendered the post meaningless.

There isn't a one size fits all rule. Every situation is different. You should consult experts that have information on YOUR situation and the risks YOU face with your assets.

Post: How many single family rentals do you keep in one LLC?

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Quote from @Kevin S.:

@Owen Rosen

Thanks for the caution.  Now, could you provide suggestions in her case or other case scenarios?  


 I really can't.  I know nothing about her, her finances, or her situation.  Beyond that I'm an insurance professional and provide insurance not legal advice.

Post: URGENT need for insurance on Single Family Home

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Quote from @Glen Wiley:

We moved our properties to USAA and had no issues in spite of a claim shortly before the move for quite a bit of damage from a burst water heater. If you or your parents are a veteran then you should reach out to them.


 There's a huge difference between "a claim" and 3 claims in less than 3 years.

Post: How many single family rentals do you keep in one LLC?

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Quote from @Natalie Stanley:

How many single family rentals do you all keep in one LLC? I have around 100 single family homes in one LLC. I have heard that I should have an LLC for each home but it seems administratively burdensome to have 100 bank accounts and 100 different tax filings, credits cards, checkbooks, etc... Can others please share how they think about liability exposure in an LLC. There are large investment funds with thousands of single family homes, I can't image they have an LLC for each home.

You put equity into LLCs not houses. The amount you are willing to risk. So, if there is zero equity, you can put all house into a single LLC. If one house has $100,000 in equity, it needs it's own LLC.

Here's why:

In the event someone wants to sue you, they want money. If there is little money  in the LLC, the attorney won't take the case. There is nothing to collect so nothing to pay him. 

Just use umbrella insurance and 99.9999% of the time that is all it takes. 

If it's that .0001 of the time and you get sued, an LLC won't stop it from happening anyway. That's why you have umbrella insurance.
This doesn't make any sense.  If a property is insured, there is money to go after.  Even with minimum liability of $100,000 there are plenty of attorneys that will take a quick $33,000.

A vast majority of the comments I see on this board (from people that are not licensed insurance agents) regarding umbrellas and liability insurance are way off base.  Be careful.  Work with someone that is licensed and trustworthy.  Take the time not just to get the cheapest price but the best advice and consultation.  Insurance is NOT all the same.  If your agent makes a mistake or gives bad advice, they're insured and you have protection.