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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Roberts

Patrick Roberts has started 4 posts and replied 805 times.

Post: Population Bust, Property Value Decline?

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I suggest researching this for Japan for the past fifty years

Post: Very unique situation: Best way to use our HELOC?

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You need to talk to a tax professional about this. There are a lot of factors here. Whether or not your living in the house previously will apply for the Cap Gains exemption rule, what your basis is in the property, whether you will even have any cap gains to pay in the first place, what your tax rate would be if you were taxed, etc. 

As far as how to monetize the equity in the property, the most cost effective way to make short term use of the equity as cash is a Heloc. The best long term use play is a cashout refi. In either case, you should be able to access about 75-80% of the property FMV if it's currently free and clear.

Post: Question on Sub-to Plausibility

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Quote from @Sam German:

Everything I've read says that most mortgages have a due-on-sale clause or something else that prevents Sub-to from being an option. Are people just ignoring that and hoping the servicer doesn't call the loan due?

Are the odds in your favor if you take this risk? 

I'm very new to this topic. 


 Basically, yes. The vast majority are simply hoping the loan doesnt get accelerated. 

Post: Loans using mortgage notes as collateral

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Synovus and Regions had an appetite for this kind of thing in the past, but the fund I worked for had about $100m in assets at the time. Some small, local banks may have an appetite for this, but it literally varies by the bank/risk committee members and the only way to find out is in-person conversations - I dont know of any particular banks offhand. 

Typically, this kind of lending from banks/depositories is as a secured facility at the portfolio level and structured as a warehouse line. I havent seen these get approved when the total portfolio was less than $20m or so because banks usually wont go over 40-50% LTV on the portfolio and it takes a lot to underwrite these. Also, since this is effectively more CRE exposure, there might be an extra headwind there as well.

What I have seen in the past with this kind of thing is a warehouse facility that is used to fund the origination, and then the note is quickly sold either to an SPV consisting of raised investor capital, or to another third-party investment fund/bank that buys for yield, or securitized into a private label mbs/cmbs. The play for the originator entity is the points and fees - usually the asset itself (the note) has to be financed with equity capital rather than debt because the spreads are too thin to lever up unless you have a significant portfolio. Finding a bank that will finance a buy and hold small note portfolio is kind of a unicorn in the note world. 

@Chris Seveney runs a mortgage note fund and has likely come across this. He might be able to add some color. 

Post: Security camera suggestions

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What are you trying to accomplish with the cameras? This will have a huge impact on the setup and specs.

Post: Loans using mortgage notes as collateral

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Hypothecation is the term youre looking for. Yes, it's out there, but hard to find. Banks and formal institutions typically want to see $20M+ in portfolio size before they'll work it up. You're probably better off trying to find note investors who have sizable assets to negotiate a one-off transaction.

If this is for only one deal, finding a private investor or two with some SDIRA funds would probably work. You could also potentially table fund part of the loan with another lender with the right structure, but not enough info to be able to say for certain.

Post: Loan Options using Navy Stipend

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A couple things on this. First, you will need two years of work history to qualify. If youre just starting school and working, this will be an issue. Doesnt have to be two years of work in this particular job, but you need two years total.

Second, most school stipend/GI Bill BAH/education benefits cant be used because they are not considered stable and predictable. At a minium, they would need to be expected to continue for at least 3 years into the future and not be temporary in nature.

Not saying this cant be done, but this is the starting point.

Post: Funding for RAL purchase

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Quote from @Donna Givens:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

Equity from a partner/JV is likely the only way. The SBA recently changed rules around these programs. Borrower's have to bring their own funds (equity) to the project. Subordinated seller financing wont work, either.

Also, if you havent already talked with a lender about this, I recommend you do so. 90% LTV is rapidly turning into a unicorn.

Thanks, the lender I spoke with says borrowed, subordinated funds would be ok. It says this on the SBA website as well. 

 7a and 7a Express used to require a 5% minimum contribution from the borrower along with a subordinated seller carryback to make up the rest of the borrower's contribution to 10%. From what I understand, the program recently updated to where the seller carryback cannot receive any payments until the SBA-guaranteed first lien is paid in full, meaning your seller will have to wait a very long time to receive payments. My guess is not many sellers will agree to this. 

All of this is predicated on the lender giving 90% financing. In this environment, Id be shocked to see that kind of leverage unless you have decades of direct experience in that industry combined with a high tangible net worth and a healthy DSCR on the acquired business, similar to what Don was saying. CRE lending and bank exposure is in a rough spot right now - lenders are pulling back on leverage and risk across the board.

Brokers and loan originators/officers will say all kind of things to get you to put an app in so they can sell you on a different product. This is no different than the advertisements that are all over the place in every industry - "prices as low as X." The reality is very, very few people will get that as it's a unicorn offer that .001% of people qualify for. 

Post: Funding for RAL purchase

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Equity from a partner/JV is likely the only way. The SBA recently changed rules around these programs. Borrower's have to bring their own funds (equity) to the project. Subordinated seller financing wont work, either.

Also, if you havent already talked with a lender about this, I recommend you do so. 90% LTV is rapidly turning into a unicorn.

Post: Wholesaler laws becoming formalized and regulated its starting here in Oregon

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Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
@James Wise@Russell Brazil@James Hamling@Don Konipol

read below this is the disclosure that MUST be on all marketing pieces written or on internet that Oregon wholesalers must provide the public. This law went into effect this week.. In addition the wholesaler must have a Wholesalers license which requires Insurance and a bond much like a contractor.  No test required though like a RE agent..

Also note the carve out for those that might do land development.. where someone like me might tie up the dirt spend 10k or more ( usually though 50 to 100K) getting entitlements and flipping said contract to a builder developer. 

this is clearly directed at the SFR wholesaler and this disclosure also must be presented to the seller of the property prior to the wholesaler going into contract or any equitable interest they may have to flip said contract or property.. Of course if they close on the property FIRST then market it this is not required.. But double close is not going to work either I know a lot wholesalers rely on the double close to get around the laws as well.  be interesting to see if any of the wholesaler how to Gurus mention this to their Oregon students.



Only available to Cash Buyers who can close quickly. Buyer pays both (buyer's and seller's) sides of the closing costs. Offers to buy the rights to the purchase contract as written should be made "as-is", and without contingencies. No additional amendments will be made to the contract and assignment will not be subject to any additional conditions. RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHOLESALER WRITTEN DISCLOSUREThe person providing this disclosure is a Registered Residential Property Wholesaler. A Registered Residential Property Wholesaler is someone who markets residential property for which the wholesaler has only an equitable interest or an option to purchase and, at the time of marketing, has held such interest or option for fewer than 90 days and invested less than $10,000 in land development or improvement costs associated with the residential property.
A Registered Residential Property Wholesaler shall provide this disclosure:
• To any potential buyers and sellers before entering into a written contract for a residential property wholesale transaction;
• To any Broker or Principal Broker who is engaged to assist the property wholesaler in marketing or listing the property;
• To any Broker or Principal Broker who is assisting a potential buyer in purchasing the property; and
• In all advertising related to the property that is the subject of a residential property wholesale transaction.

The Registered Residential Property Wholesaler:
• Will only have or only has an equitable interest in the property being sold.
• Will not have or does not have legal title to the property and therefore may
not be able to directly transfer title to the buyer.
• Is not a licensed Broker or Principal Broker and therefore might not be
permitted to engage in professional real estate activity.
• Might not be a licensed appraisal specialist and therefore might not be
permitted to provide an opinion as to the value of the property.

DEFINITION OF EQUITABLE INTEREST A person who has an "Equitable interest” in a property means someone that has contracted with the current owner for the right to buy the property at a later date even though they don’t have legal title. The contract may allow the equitable interest holder to sell or transfer the right to purchase the property to someone else prior to close of escrow.

ASSIGNMENT OF INTEREST A Registered Residential Property Wholesaler may assign equitable interest to another party prior to closing for profit.

RIGHT OF CANCELLATION A seller or buyer who enters into a written contract for a residential property wholesale transaction may cancel the contract without penalty by delivery of a written notice of cancellation any time before 12 midnight at the end of the third business day after the receipt of the Residential Property Wholesaler Written Disclosure. The right of cancellation may not be waived. Upon cancellation, all earnest money or deposits shall be returned to the person who provided the earnest money or deposit.

CONSEQUENCES OF NON-DISCLOSURE TO SELLER If the Residential Property Wholesaler fails to provide a Residential Property Wholesaler Written Disclosure to the seller before entering into a written contract for a residential property wholesale transaction, the seller may terminate the contract at any time without penalty and retain any earnest money or deposit paid to the seller or deposited in escrow by the Registered Residential Property Wholesaler.
An escrow agent may disburse the earnest money or deposit to the seller without the need for separate written instructions from the Registered Residential Property Wholesaler if:
• The seller in writing asserts that the Residential Property Wholesaler Written Disclosure was not provided to the seller before entering into the written contract for the residential property wholesale transaction and demands disbursement to the seller of all deposits held by the escrow agent; and
• The seller has provided the escrow agent with a written release and indemnification against all liability arising from the disbursement of the earnest money and deposits to the seller.

LIABILITY FOR DAMAGES If the Registered Residential Property Wholesaler fails to provide a Residential Property Wholesaler Written Disclosure to the seller or buyer, and if the purchase and sale agreement is terminated as a result, the wholesaler shall be liable for damages incurred by seller and buyer.

LEGAL PROCEEDINGS AND RECOVERY OF COSTS In any mediation or arbitration proceeding or civil action between buyer and seller, between buyer and Registered Residential Property Wholesaler or between seller and Registered Residential Property Wholesaler that arises due to the Registered Residential Property Wholesaler’s failure to provide a Residential Property Wholesaler Written Disclosure before entering into a written contract for a residential property wholesale transaction as prescribed under this section, the prevailing party is entitled to recover all reasonable attorney fees, costs and expenses incurred at trial, on appeal, at mediation and at arbitration from the Residential Property Wholesaler.

How to file a complaint. If you believe a Residential Property Wholesaler has violated any governing statute or rule, you may file a complaint with the Oregon Real Estate Agency (OREA). OREA will review the complaint. In most cases, other people involved in the case, including the respondent, will be contacted. Based on the information received, OREA will determine whether to start an investigation.
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 This whole bag of craziness can be avoided by just having a regulation that residential property sellers MUST be represented by an attorney. 


 I understand the sentiment, but the last thing I want is more regulation and more hands in the pot. A prudent seller would choose to be represented by an attorney in a situation such as this, but I dont want the government telling people they have to pay for an attorney for their own good just to sell their own house. 

I'd much rather see criminal laws that are aggressive when it comes to fraud and deceit/sleight of hand. If a property seller makes a poor decision voluntarily, then sucks to be them. But if a wholesaler/solicitor uses fraud or deceit/deception to gain consent where they wouldnt have otherwise gotten it from a party that was not deceived, then this could easily fall into the realm of fraud and criminal prosecution would be appropriate. Now, parsing out fraud and deception vs "sales tactics" will be tough, but that's the nature of the beast. 

I will caveat this with the fact that I am fiercely libertarian and detest the idea of the government being involved at all in a transaction between two parties, but that's just my $0.02. At the rate we're going, pretty soon we're going to need attorneys and government regulators to certify the purchase of a bagel for breakfast.