All Forum Posts by: Patrick Roberts
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Post: Private Lending Advice

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Post: The Downfall of BiggerPockets Forums?

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Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @James Hamling:
The best part of this discussion, is finding out how not alone I am. I have been experiencing and thinking these things but was unsure if it was just my own perception of things.
I had a solution idea.
I really thought this through and I truly think it's the only legit, enduring solution that threads the needle of best results for all on BP, and for BP Platform profitability (if it don't make $, it won't make sense for ownership and thus, it won't happen, right).
Post's can only be created by paid membership holders. Be it biz or personal, but paid not free accounts.
And free accounts get a daily reply limit.
There is a trend, free accounts making the same repetative basic nusance post over n over which means (a) there not contributing good engaging new content via doing such, and, (b) there not searching the forums, going through existing content because if they did they would have found the previous 10,427 posts asking what there asking.
This also helps prevent from account spamming.
Next is throttle a daily limit for paid account to create posts, based upon a persons votes. An ascending tiered model where at certain benchmarks, ability to do more is awarded.
Look, simplest way to safeguard for quality content is to allow those voted most quality to post most freely, and that to post more it has to be earned via quality posts & replies.
Ideally, this also helps the ai thing because ai spamming won't get the votes and thus, daily post creation will be throttled to a level that hopefully makes the venture not worth it to even try.
My observation is the best content is consistently put out by various paid memberships, and the worst most spammy ai stuff is by free or low vote accounts.
What do you think @Moderators
@James Hamling I like the idea of a barrier to entry, but I have never been a fan of that barrier being money. Unless the cost is unreasonably high, I think most of the people here exclusively for self-promotion will likely pay the fee regardless, which will incentivize BP to bring in more of them. I also know that I anytime I look at joining a community, meetup group, forum, etc, and see a required monthly fee or subscription fee, I usually decline. There are so many gurus and shamans trying to monetize this stuff through paid mentorships/groups/communities etc that I instantly assume that a required fee = get-rich-quick marketing scheme from some guru preying on people who have a mindset of "I want passive income so I can retire this afternoon."
I would prefer to see some kind of verification option that gives a visible marker on an account, such as a badge, that shows that the account holder has been vetted to not be a bot or a clown. The process for this could be an interview via either a video chat or in-person with one of the forum moderators/managers to determine whether the interviewee is A) here for the right reasons, and B) whether they will agree to the rules, with one such rule being a pledge not to use AI to generate posts or responses. If they are found to have violated the pledge, then they are unethical and should be shunned or marked as such with a different type of badge, like "Interact with Caution".
I see major changes coming soon to a lot of social media and communication modalities because of this kind of stuff. I get blown up every day with AI/bot cold calls, cold texts, and cold emails, and I'm religious about reporting these as junk to the various carriers and email providers. I cant stand being cold-called, texted, etc by people trying to sell me trash, which is anything I havent asked for. Im in a business where I have to answer my phone, and if you immediately start pitching me as soon as I say Hi, youre getting cussed out. It's out of control.
Yeah, I totally get-it and myself am not the biggest fan of a barrier to entry but it's the only mechanism I could come up with that will actually work.
Keep in mind free accounts could still make post replies, there just throttled as to how many per day until meet level thresholds unlocking ability to do more and more per day.
And think, it could start really low, like 1 up vote, then 10, then 250, 50, 100 etc etc..
I thought if it like the way app based games are made today, everything is achievement based for access to "next level".
It's also a system the self-promotes those newer users to use the various features, like look through the expansive library of older posts, vs just create a new post for every/any question. The current system kind of rewards impulsive "lazy" posting 4-answers vs engaging with platform. Because it's way easier to just post something vs look it up, or use the "Find A ___" tool.
I don't see that talk with a BP rep for account setup working at all. We have to keep in mind BP is a tech company, and that means a focus on lean staffing. To do that would require staffing an expansive call center, not to mention the added cost of such.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea in theory, I am just trying to view it as a realist, thinking through the motives BP needs and expects, as a business, for the action to make sense. For it to make sense to C-Suite, it's gotta make $$$$.
ai is getting scarry good at head spinning speed. A captcha is not gonna cut it, ai will be able to make that hurdle. A throttle mechanism and a fee mechanism seems best way to dissuade. And good moderation which then falls onto all of us, not just the Mod's alone.
Might just be time to build a new forum and migrate. This feels like when a local small business grows into a corporate franchise - it permanently evolves into something different
Post: The Downfall of BiggerPockets Forums?

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Quote from @James Hamling:
The best part of this discussion, is finding out how not alone I am. I have been experiencing and thinking these things but was unsure if it was just my own perception of things.
I had a solution idea.
I really thought this through and I truly think it's the only legit, enduring solution that threads the needle of best results for all on BP, and for BP Platform profitability (if it don't make $, it won't make sense for ownership and thus, it won't happen, right).
Post's can only be created by paid membership holders. Be it biz or personal, but paid not free accounts.
And free accounts get a daily reply limit.
There is a trend, free accounts making the same repetative basic nusance post over n over which means (a) there not contributing good engaging new content via doing such, and, (b) there not searching the forums, going through existing content because if they did they would have found the previous 10,427 posts asking what there asking.
This also helps prevent from account spamming.
Next is throttle a daily limit for paid account to create posts, based upon a persons votes. An ascending tiered model where at certain benchmarks, ability to do more is awarded.
Look, simplest way to safeguard for quality content is to allow those voted most quality to post most freely, and that to post more it has to be earned via quality posts & replies.
Ideally, this also helps the ai thing because ai spamming won't get the votes and thus, daily post creation will be throttled to a level that hopefully makes the venture not worth it to even try.
My observation is the best content is consistently put out by various paid memberships, and the worst most spammy ai stuff is by free or low vote accounts.
What do you think @Moderators
@James Hamling I like the idea of a barrier to entry, but I have never been a fan of that barrier being money. Unless the cost is unreasonably high, I think most of the people here exclusively for self-promotion will likely pay the fee regardless, which will incentivize BP to bring in more of them. I also know that I anytime I look at joining a community, meetup group, forum, etc, and see a required monthly fee or subscription fee, I usually decline. There are so many gurus and shamans trying to monetize this stuff through paid mentorships/groups/communities etc that I instantly assume that a required fee = get-rich-quick marketing scheme from some guru preying on people who have a mindset of "I want passive income so I can retire this afternoon."
I would prefer to see some kind of verification option that gives a visible marker on an account, such as a badge, that shows that the account holder has been vetted to not be a bot or a clown. The process for this could be an interview via either a video chat or in-person with one of the forum moderators/managers to determine whether the interviewee is A) here for the right reasons, and B) whether they will agree to the rules, with one such rule being a pledge not to use AI to generate posts or responses. If they are found to have violated the pledge, then they are unethical and should be shunned or marked as such with a different type of badge, like "Interact with Caution".
I see major changes coming soon to a lot of social media and communication modalities because of this kind of stuff. I get blown up every day with AI/bot cold calls, cold texts, and cold emails, and I'm religious about reporting these as junk to the various carriers and email providers. I cant stand being cold-called, texted, etc by people trying to sell me trash, which is anything I havent asked for. Im in a business where I have to answer my phone, and if you immediately start pitching me as soon as I say Hi, youre getting cussed out. It's out of control.
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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- Charleston, SC
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Quote from @Lisa Holden:
Quote from @Jonathan Taylor Smith:
@Lisa Holden - I would certainly NOT stop paying the mortgage outright... But do contact your lender and find out what hardship options they may offer and learn if you must be behind on the payments to qualify. How confident is your Realtor in being able to sell the property at or near the listed price - and will that sale result in a NET gain for you or just lock in a loss?
If you were to NOT sell and get the other unit rented, would that potentially be a better outcome for you both now and in years to come? If so, you might just need to lower your rental criteria. I recently lowered my income required from 3x to 2x. I also do not have a minimum credit score requirement - instead using the score to in-part determine the security deposit requirement at 1x, 1.5x or 2x rent. I care more about liens, judgements and collections than I do about a low credit scores for other reasons - which is often related to medical bills or student loans.
Thank you for your input. It should sell for at least what I paid for it allowing me to recoup my down payment funds. 17 mortgage payments I’ve made would be a loss. Perhaps I do need to lower my tenant criteria. I just don’t want to wait on my money and a bunch of excuses for rent not paid.
I see why the standard is 3 times the rent in income. Say it’s 2 times in income:
Income: 2,000
Rent: $1,000
Gas Heat, Electricity, $300
Food, $400
Car Payment and insurance $500
Then I see how I’m the last to get paid.
This isn’t factoring in cell phone bills, eating out, entertainment.
I regret I ever did this. Praying it will all work out in my favor. I have a good realtor. The unit is still listed for rent also. It is listed @$1,100 which is right in line and possibly a bit lower price for the area, the size, and amenities.
thanks again,
Lisa
I would consider hiring a professional property manager to help find a tenant. Either the asking rent is too high or the property is not being properly marketed. I would not lower the requirements if this was me - a bad tenant is not better than no tenant.
If you sell, you will pay 5-6% or more in transaction costs, and you likely have a prepayment penalty (PPP) on the DSCR loan, which could easily add another 1-3% to the exit costs. This is all assuming it would sell for what you paid for it without requiring any repairs or updates to be listed. It will easily cost you 5-10% of the current value to sell it, which it seems like this property is probably worth around $200k, so you could lose another $10k+ in selling it.
Post: Hard to Pay My DSCR Mortgage

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You need to do two things asap: figure out why it's not renting, and determine a no BS figure for what you will lose if you sell it. Being that you purchase it a little over a year ago, you will likely take a big hit on selling now. That being said, this may be the only option if there is something fundamentally wrong with the rental scenario.
If you stop paying the mortgage, it will wreck your credit and you will load up on late fees, legal fees, and default interest.
If renting out the second unit is still plausible to make it work, this is likely your best path forward.
Post: Using Navy Fed’s 0% Down Mortgage for House Hacking—Worth It?

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I'd read the mortgage/deed of trust/loan agreement carefully. This sounds like some kind of special program that they will balance sheet. I'm virtually certain that this will be for a primary residence only, meaning you can't buy it as an investment property - it has to be your new home. It's also very possible they require you to remain an occupant of the property for as long as the loan is outstanding.
Post: Am I doing it wrong or just not seeing the big picture?

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Quote from @Corby Goade:
What makes you think you are doing it wrong? Not every investment HAS to cash flow, there are lots of other ways to make money in real estate other than cash flow.
My personal opinion is that there is so much talk about cash flow that newbies get scared to make any moves at all and head back to their cubicles with their tails between their legs.
Is cash flow bad? Absolutely not, it's fantastic, but it's just ONE piece of a much larger puzzle. David Greene has it right, and if you are new and not listening to his podcast, you are missing out. He digs in to all of the different ways people can make money in real estate- he has 10 different options that he talks about, and to be honest, cash flow is really the one that will often give you the least benefit in the long run.
So yes, in my opinion, you probably are doing it wrong. If you are only looking at cash flow, you are probably missing many other opportunities that are right in front of you.
There really isnt a way to buy turnkey off the MLS with 0 downpayment and "cashflow" on day 1. Those days are gone.
Post: I have questions about my private lender.

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Quote from @John Cook:
My daughter wants to help me with my flips. So, I need some guidance. She wants to provide the financing for the purchase and rehab. She will have to get a loan, most likely it will be with her local bank. And when the deal closes I'll pay her a fee at closing. I want the deed in my name so how do we structure this? Thank you
Need more detail and clarity with what youre trying to accomplish. Are you borrowing from her, or is she a partner on the deal with you, or is it something else?
Post: Fractional Vacation Homes: The Future of Ownership?

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Sooo...a timeshare?
Post: The numbers aren’t working, what am I doing wrong?

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A couple things stand out:
- Does your monthly debt service figure include the principal component as well, because if so, that needs to be accounted for.
- Closing costs are likely to be higher
- DSCR loans cannot be used for distressed properties; it looks like you have the order reversed; you will need to rehab the property first, then get a DSCR loan after
Finally, the returns in rental real estate are not solely from the monthly cashflow. It's a combination of any free cash flow each month, plus the principal paydown on the debt, plus the appreciation that occurs over time. Real estate is a tax-advantaged leverage play. Looking at an annual measure of return for a single year on a rental property isnt really giving you the full picture. I recommend using IRR over a 5, 7, or 10yr timeframe to better understand and measure your return. You will need to account for transaction costs at the presumed exit as well as any tax effects to get an accurate picture that can be compared to other investment returns.