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All Forum Posts by: Paul Lucenti

Paul Lucenti has started 8 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: Maximizing monthly cash flow per unit

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Rod Hanks:

Congratulations! $1000 per door is a grand slam out the parking lot home run!


 Thank you sir 

Post: Strategic ways to scale

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19

Thank you - I guess we will find out.

Post: Strategic ways to scale

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Paul Lucenti  "I don’t believe there can be a bad asset - if something is lining your pocket and you are establishing equity, that really cannot be bad. There definitely is better but I wouldn’t say one is bad." ....This is a misconception that gets many in trouble. At any given time there are countless C/D neighborhood properties in Philadelphia that can be leased to a section 8 voucher recipient that cash flows well. Does this make them all good assets?

-Perhaps the cash flow "lining your pockets" continues for a few years. However what happens when the tenant vacates and now the unit has to be turned over/takes a few months to find a new tenant and during that same period of time the sewer line goes and you get hit with that $15,000 cap ex expense in addition to the vacancy and turn over costs. If this is a $100K property you may go from believing you have a healthy LTV ratio to being underwater in a matter of 2-3 months. That is the reality of these properties and why they are rarely sustainable even if they appear to be cash flowing.

- It costs me me less to turn over my 1500 SF units that rent for $3k/m then it does the same size section 8 unit because the property is cared for better and experiences less  wear and tear while fixed costs like cleaning and painting are easier to absorb. 

-Have you sold any of your section 8 rentals yet? If not, who do you believe the natural buyer is and why do you believe they will pay retail when they can replicate what you accomplished with any number of available properties on the market at any given time?


I hear what you're saying - but again this is why we have to scale. Things can and will go bad, but once there is enough monthly cash flow generated it will be extremely difficult for that one big issue to put us away or even 2-3 big issues all at once. 

If we scale at the right pace - doing our best due diligence - those issues will only be minor even if they seem extreme. 

Post: Need help filling vacancies in Philadelphia

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Kevin M.:

Paul, 

We are highly experienced in finding tenants in Philadelphia placing hundreds over the last few years. A few insights;

1) It's tough out there. 2023 and 2024 were both brutally difficult leasing years in Philadelphia. Supply continues to exceed demand throughout most of the city (with a few exceptions)

2) Your HCV strategy is certainly the hot thing right now. With payment standards significantly above market, many investors have shifted to this HCV focus. With more property owners competing for voucher holders, your HCV holders are currently the 'prettiest girls at the dance' and they essentially have their pick of quality rentals. For this reason- you really need a top-of-the-line rental to attract Section 8 tenants in Philly right now.

3) Historically speaking leasing activity spikes again around March. Hang in there.


Thanks kevin - definitely have noticed that. We bought 3 in 2022 and the properties were rented within a couple weeks. Now it's definitely more of a waiting game - They still have a huge waiting list for the HCV so we know we'll get someone eventually. I'm going to send you an email, we are looking for current PM or just help with finding tenants.

Thanks again for the reply 

Post: Strategic ways to scale

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Henry Clark:

OP run the numbers for us.  Change to fit your view.  

1.  Give investor a 10% return.  Risk adjust to 12%.

2.  What is your finance mechanism and terms?  If any short term financing, risk adjust upwards another 2% points on the interest rate.

3.  Is there enough fat on the deal.  What would you say is your monthly cashflow?  Say $300.  Do you give up $100 to the new investor?  Now how many do you need to scale?

4. PM. In your cashflow above how much are you pulling out for PM or Capex? What is you adjusted cash flow?

5.  What occupancy percentage and turnover cost did you factor in?

My point above is how solid are your financial and management plans?  

With the above said then develop a scaling model.  Financing, pm, insurance, downpayment, etc. What are the bumps you have to overcome at each level?  Basically do it in paper before you go down the road.  


 Thank you for that - it creates a clear path when its written down. We typically do 4-5 years interest only while paying down the principle balances over time. Our real goal is to refi the homes before we come close to the due date and pay them off early. 

It's going well so far, we've done 3 that have worked and we continue to do deals with those investors. Now we are trying to find more investors to do this deals with, networking has been something we have to get better at. 

Thank you again for your input 

Post: Strategic ways to scale

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19

I appreciate the reply - that is eventually the goal. But right now we are heavily cash flow focused. These  investments produce great positive cash flow that will eventually, down the road, be able to acquire better assets. So right now our main goal is the cash flow because in the end that is the way we will be able to move up in the real estate industry. 

Only thing I’ll disagree with you on is bad assets as I don’t believe there can be a bad asset - if something is lining your pocket and you are establishing equity, that really cannot be bad. There definitely is better but I wouldn’t say one is bad. 

Post: Maximizing monthly cash flow per unit

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19

We started this journey 2 years ago - We just pulled off our best deal yet! 

After going through the ups and downs of dealing with Section 8 Landlording, we finally learned how to maximize our profit per door. We focused on where we went wrong with the first couple of homes we purchased. We always chased around $500-$600 a month in profit per door. 

We didn't think it was possible but we got over $1100 in net cashflow on 1 property. Mainly focusing on our location while also keeping the total cost of the homes in mind. Finally we purchased a home for $130k (Sales price) with a mortgage of $950. The home was submitted with PHA (Section8) and the rent came back at $2,075 (fully guaranteed). 

With the failures we endured in the past - we were able to take out original goal of $500-$600 per door and were able to double that with just 1 door. 

The journey continues and now we know where to direct all of our focus!

Post: Need help filling vacancies in Philadelphia

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19

Hey all

We are currently looking for someone who is experienced in finding tenants in Philadelphia. We only look for tenants that possess a housing voucher, but sometimes in the winter months leads go cold. 

If anyone specializes in this in the Philadelphia location, feel free to drop your info below!

Thank you.

Post: Strategic ways to scale

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19

We have purchased 8 investment properties over the last 2 years, we strictly rent them out with section 8. 

The goal is to scale our business 2x over the next 3 years which we believe is very doable. There are many ways to take this journey from here however we realized our best way is getting outside investors to come in and help us purchase the property, then give them a fixed % over a period of time or even equity.

If anyone has been in this position before, what's another creative way we can scale? Is this a forum to meet outside investors that would be interested in doing something above? 

Thanks for reading - and if you leave a response we appreciate that as well

Post: HELOC or Home Equity Loan lenders

Paul LucentiPosted
  • Investor
  • Long Island
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 19
Quote from @Bryan Maddex:

Lots of loan options can close in an LLC, helocs usually need to close in your personal name. I have about 20 options we can shop for you if you like.


Thanks for the response, were open to other options as well. Closing in an LLC is a necessity for us

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