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All Forum Posts by: Joe Villeneuve

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Post: Discount me the sales price please

Joe Villeneuve
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@Joe Villeneuve

I am buying to demo in a year.

That doesn't change anything other than make it worse.  Now you're saying you are going to tie up a lot of cash, cash that could actually be making you money, for a year, and then go into a very large rehab (time and cost) project hoping to make money on it,...how?

Post: Discount me the sales price please

Joe Villeneuve
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Ask a contractor.  Why would you want to buy a house with structural repairs needed anyway?  I'd be willing to bet the cost of repairs will be a lot higher than just the roof.  There's a domino effect that will impact costs in MANY other areas that you don't see right now, but they'll be there.

Post: Is right now one of the worst times to be a real estate investor?

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I think Charles Dickens answered this question best.

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

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1. These rules are not to be used in order to measure a successful deal, but rather finding a suitable deal in the first place. The deal would have to be in a safe location and the operating activity in the business itself could be self-serviced.

2. I'm interested to hear about any REI strategy, with properties located in safe neighborhoods, that yields better than the 1% rule minus operating expenses. I'm open to anything and have only stated that I can be proactively involved in the business to reduce operational expenses.

Buying some properties for an Airbnb kind of business can be one example of such, as long as one knows from experience that it yields better than the standard 1%.

OK.  Now, with that in mind, please answer the questions I posed.

OK - 

1. I'm not. Feel free to add more or suggest different ones. Your opinion will be welcome.

2. I'm only seeing one rule (safety). The safety rule is a personal preference. I prefer to avoid D/F neighborhoods. Not sure about the second rule you mentioned.

1%, and 35% operational cost are the two rules you are using.  My questions above apply to them.

 Ah, finally got you. :)

1. The 1% rule and the 35% operational expense rule serve as benchmarks to quickly evaluate the potential profitability of a real estate investment. While they are indeed somewhat arbitrary, they provide a straightforward framework to filter out properties that are unlikely to meet my investment criteria.

  • 1% Rule: This rule helps ensure that the property generates sufficient rental income relative to its purchase price. If a property meets the 1% rule, it typically indicates that it can cover its mortgage and other expenses while still providing positive cash flow.
  • 35% Operational Expenses: This rule helps estimate the proportion of rental income that will be consumed by operating expenses, excluding the mortgage. By keeping operational expenses around 35%, I aim to ensure that the property remains profitable even after accounting for maintenance, CapEx, property taxes, and vacancies.

2. These rules are not the be-all and end-all, but they serve as useful guidelines to streamline the initial evaluation process. Here's how they impact my REI situation:

  • Quick Evaluation: They provide a quick way to assess whether a property is worth further consideration. If a property fails these benchmarks, it’s likely not worth the time to perform a deeper analysis.
  • Risk Management: By adhering to these rules, I aim to minimize the risk of overpaying for properties or underestimating operational costs. This is particularly important as I prefer to self-manage properties, and accurate cost estimations are crucial for maintaining profitability.
  • Scalability: These rules help in maintaining a consistent evaluation metric across multiple properties and markets, aiding in scaling my portfolio systematically.

That said, I understand that each investment should be evaluated on its own merits and that these rules may not capture the full picture. I am open to exploring other metrics and strategies that might offer better insights into profitability and ROI.

I’m curious to know what metrics or strategies you and others have found to be effective in evaluating and maximizing real estate investments. Any shared experiences or additional tips would be highly appreciated!

Thank you again for your questions and looking forward to more insights.

No, you didn't get me.  I understand what the rules are supposed to do.  The definitions are a lot of words, but they don't really mean much when applied to each specific investor.
What my questions are based on is this:  How do these rules specifically help you?  How do they specifically apply to you?  The answer should NOT be a re-wording of what you defined above.  Those definitions are generalizations using a lot of words to make them sound more impressive.  I'm looking for how do these rules, which are numbers, impact your specific numbers, of are they just arbitrary? 
Well, unfortunately I'm quite sure I didn't yet understand where you're going with this, but... they are the basis of how I can achieve net yearly ROI of ~8%. No more than that. If any investment achieves better numbers, then these rules appear arbitrary and insignificant.

my goal is to find other strategies (rent by room, Airbnb, etc.) That yields better than net 8% yearly. I don't care about the "two rules" - they are just my benchmark.

After an endless number of messages and misunderstanding of your main point, I'd appreciate you sharing your thoughts and mindset. I'm here to learn.
Sounds good.  PM me and we can talk further.

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
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  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
  • Votes 19,535
Quote from @Chen Avnery:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
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@Joe Villeneuve

1. These rules are not to be used in order to measure a successful deal, but rather finding a suitable deal in the first place. The deal would have to be in a safe location and the operating activity in the business itself could be self-serviced.

2. I'm interested to hear about any REI strategy, with properties located in safe neighborhoods, that yields better than the 1% rule minus operating expenses. I'm open to anything and have only stated that I can be proactively involved in the business to reduce operational expenses.

Buying some properties for an Airbnb kind of business can be one example of such, as long as one knows from experience that it yields better than the standard 1%.

OK.  Now, with that in mind, please answer the questions I posed.

OK - 

1. I'm not. Feel free to add more or suggest different ones. Your opinion will be welcome.

2. I'm only seeing one rule (safety). The safety rule is a personal preference. I prefer to avoid D/F neighborhoods. Not sure about the second rule you mentioned.

1%, and 35% operational cost are the two rules you are using.  My questions above apply to them.

 Ah, finally got you. :)

1. The 1% rule and the 35% operational expense rule serve as benchmarks to quickly evaluate the potential profitability of a real estate investment. While they are indeed somewhat arbitrary, they provide a straightforward framework to filter out properties that are unlikely to meet my investment criteria.

  • 1% Rule: This rule helps ensure that the property generates sufficient rental income relative to its purchase price. If a property meets the 1% rule, it typically indicates that it can cover its mortgage and other expenses while still providing positive cash flow.
  • 35% Operational Expenses: This rule helps estimate the proportion of rental income that will be consumed by operating expenses, excluding the mortgage. By keeping operational expenses around 35%, I aim to ensure that the property remains profitable even after accounting for maintenance, CapEx, property taxes, and vacancies.

2. These rules are not the be-all and end-all, but they serve as useful guidelines to streamline the initial evaluation process. Here's how they impact my REI situation:

  • Quick Evaluation: They provide a quick way to assess whether a property is worth further consideration. If a property fails these benchmarks, it’s likely not worth the time to perform a deeper analysis.
  • Risk Management: By adhering to these rules, I aim to minimize the risk of overpaying for properties or underestimating operational costs. This is particularly important as I prefer to self-manage properties, and accurate cost estimations are crucial for maintaining profitability.
  • Scalability: These rules help in maintaining a consistent evaluation metric across multiple properties and markets, aiding in scaling my portfolio systematically.

That said, I understand that each investment should be evaluated on its own merits and that these rules may not capture the full picture. I am open to exploring other metrics and strategies that might offer better insights into profitability and ROI.

I’m curious to know what metrics or strategies you and others have found to be effective in evaluating and maximizing real estate investments. Any shared experiences or additional tips would be highly appreciated!

Thank you again for your questions and looking forward to more insights.

No, you didn't get me.  I understand what the rules are supposed to do.  The definitions are a lot of words, but they don't really mean much when applied to each specific investor.
What my questions are based on is this:  How do these rules specifically help you?  How do they specifically apply to you?  The answer should NOT be a re-wording of what you defined above.  Those definitions are generalizations using a lot of words to make them sound more impressive.  I'm looking for how do these rules, which are numbers, impact your specific numbers, of are they just arbitrary? 

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
Posted
  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
  • Votes 19,535
Quote from @Chen Avnery:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Chen Avnery:

@Joe Villeneuve

1. These rules are not to be used in order to measure a successful deal, but rather finding a suitable deal in the first place. The deal would have to be in a safe location and the operating activity in the business itself could be self-serviced.

2. I'm interested to hear about any REI strategy, with properties located in safe neighborhoods, that yields better than the 1% rule minus operating expenses. I'm open to anything and have only stated that I can be proactively involved in the business to reduce operational expenses.

Buying some properties for an Airbnb kind of business can be one example of such, as long as one knows from experience that it yields better than the standard 1%.

OK.  Now, with that in mind, please answer the questions I posed.

OK - 

1. I'm not. Feel free to add more or suggest different ones. Your opinion will be welcome.

2. I'm only seeing one rule (safety). The safety rule is a personal preference. I prefer to avoid D/F neighborhoods. Not sure about the second rule you mentioned.

1%, and 35% operational cost are the two rules you are using.  My questions above apply to them.

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
Posted
  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
  • Votes 19,535
Quote from @Chen Avnery:

@Joe Villeneuve

1. These rules are not to be used in order to measure a successful deal, but rather finding a suitable deal in the first place. The deal would have to be in a safe location and the operating activity in the business itself could be self-serviced.

2. I'm interested to hear about any REI strategy, with properties located in safe neighborhoods, that yields better than the 1% rule minus operating expenses. I'm open to anything and have only stated that I can be proactively involved in the business to reduce operational expenses.

Buying some properties for an Airbnb kind of business can be one example of such, as long as one knows from experience that it yields better than the standard 1%.

OK.  Now, with that in mind, please answer the questions I posed.

Post: Unusual situation - need help selling a property back to the bank

Joe Villeneuve
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Banks don't buy properties, they take them (foreclosure). Banks don't want properties, they are not RE Agents/Brokers. Banks want money. Banks are in the business to sell money. The cost is the interest, and they get paid over time. Banks foreclose because they are not being paid. They don't want to foreclose because the property they get is usually an bad shape, and they are not contractors, REI agents, or REI. They are in the business of selling money, not RE.

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

Joe Villeneuve
#5 All Forums Contributor
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  • Plymouth, MI
  • Posts 13,461
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Quote from @Chen Avnery:

Hello all,

I'm seeking advice on achieving a higher ROI in real estate investments beyond the 1% rule and maintaining around 35% of monthly operational expenses (including Cap-ex, maintenance, property tax, and vacancy).

To the best of my knowledge and abilities, the 1% rule with 35% operational expenses seems to be the best I can achieve today. However, considering gross monthly income and operational expenses, I'm looking for strategies or types of properties that can provide a better net ROI.

Here are some key points:

  • Location: At least a C neighborhood that is safe for driving around at all hours.
  • Cashflow: Investments that can deliver superior cash flow.
  • Involvement: I have the time and willingness to handle maintenance and operational activities myself. This includes property management, purchasing houses, etc. For example, if someone suggests Short-Term Rentals (STR) or Mid-Term Rentals (MTR), I can manage them personally since I have the time.

I'm open to various strategies, including single-family homes, multi-family properties, or niche markets, as long as they fit the above criteria.

What types of properties or markets have you found to offer the best cashflow and ROI? Are there any particular strategies or tips you can share to maximize returns while keeping operational expenses manageable?

Your insights and shared experiences would be greatly appreciated, and I'd love to expand our conversation privately.

Thank you

Two questions?
1 - Why are you focused on these two arbitrary rules to measure a successful deal?
2 - What do these two rules tell you, if anything, about how they impact your specific REI situation?

Post: Is right now one of the worst times to be a real estate investor?

Joe Villeneuve
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It comes down to the same thing all the time,...strategies. Flipping, holding, STR's, MF, etc...are not strategies. How you buy/control them are.

All deals are made up of two things: 

1 - Cost to the buyer/REI (this is ONLY the cash they put in).
2 - Terms of the deal.  This is how someone, or something else, pays for the rest of the deal.

The best deals are made starting with the lowest cost (cash out of pocket) to the REI, and the best terms for the rest so that either the net CF, or profit (or both) works for the buyer/REI. This doesn't mean you have to get a great price to buy.  You can control a not so good price with the terms.

In the end, the profits (CF or flip) starts when you recover your cost. Until then, the great deal you think you made, is just potential. That's OK, as long as you recover your cost fast. This is why paying high cost upfront to get higher (or just making) CF isn't smart. All it does is delay your profit point longer, which means you may not ever get it. The longer you wait, the more chances there are for problems, which means dollars out of pocket, which means added cost to the REI, and even more of a delay to the profit point. Keep your cost (cash) as low as possible.