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All Forum Posts by: Joe Villeneuve

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Post: Unique property opportunity question

Joe Villeneuve
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1/3 of an acre on a corner lot isn't that big, and I bet not split able.

Post: Any reason why I shouldn't open source my building plans?

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Quote from @James McGovern:
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

Where would you get the plans from?  Besides, I agree with J.D.  Liability is huge.  Just because you don't make any money on them, doesn't mean you aren't responsible, along with the source of the actual plans, for any mistakes in the plans, or even any mistakes in construction from lack of info, misunderstanding, or just plain stupidity of the builder/user of the plans.

The licensing agreement will have guidance on having plans adjusted for local code, reviewed by architect/engineer etc.
So what.  That doesn't change anything.  You can 15 Arch/Eng review the plans and you can still have all/some of the problems I mentioned above.  That, and I guarantee whoever reviews it will change it.

Post: What to do with $3 million in equity

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If you don't want to sell the properties, then sell the equity.  Take on cash (silent,...VERY silent) partners.  They buy in and get part of the cash flow, you get the cash.

The alternative, and the best one at this point, is to refi.  The cash you get coming out isn't income, it's a loan, so you have very favorable (non-existent) tax issues.  If the properties can handle (as in still have positive CF) a 15 year mortgage, do that...and refi 2 properties every year.  This way, you get that Freelike cash every year on 2 houses at a time, every year for 15 years. Then, since year 16 will have payoffs of the first pair of properties, you start the rotation all over again.

Post: Any reason why I shouldn't open source my building plans?

Joe Villeneuve
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Where would you get the plans from?  Besides, I agree with J.D.  Liability is huge.  Just because you don't make any money on them, doesn't mean you aren't responsible, along with the source of the actual plans, for any mistakes in the plans, or even any mistakes in construction from lack of info, misunderstanding, or just plain stupidity of the builder/user of the plans.

Post: What will that property cost you?

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Quote from @Theresa Holl:
Quote from @Charles Perkins:

Any cost analysis is only as good as the numbers you start with and the assumptions made about future events.

This is very good insight. This is where the science of the program gives way to the art of the investor. For example, if the investor knows the H2O heater, roof, appliances, or HVAC unit are of different life expectancy than the average the program defaults to, we will have the future ability to enter the investor’s expectancy. Perhaps lower if it is a rental, as renters are not known for maintenance of capital items. The vision of this program is to help the investor determine if it is a viable file AND to monitor the property’s investment value after purchase.

Deals are made based on two simple things:  Cost to the REI (cash out of pocket), and how someone/something else pays for the rest (terms).  The "rest" is where the strategy, and creativity, is translated to "timing".  For instance, if when you buy you see the property will need a new roof in 5 years, is it more expensive to fix it now, or later?  Clue:  One of the options gets you a free roof.

Post: What will that property cost you?

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Quote from @Theresa Holl:
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Is he talking about cost based on what the total cost of the property would be over time, or just what the total cost of the property would be to the REI over time? They are different, or at least they should be.

Excellent point! Both. Once the investor enters the life expectancy of the capital expenses, financing, short term financing, rehab costs, turn costs, maintenance, and expected sale or rental revenue, the property management features will project the cashflow, equity, and profitability. Graphic projections will be created to anticipate when capital expenses might occur. This gives the investor the option to either solicit bids from the program’s contacts section or time the sale to avoid possible expenses. This could also help the investor see if those items will need replacing at a narrow or broad timeframe, thus affecting the purchase offer price. The vision of this program is to help the investor determine if it is a viable file AND to monitor the property’s investment value after purchase.

Not what I was talking about.  Over analysis, based on uncontrolled costs will always be there.  The list you mentioned are all valid numbers for total cost of the property, but not the total cost to the REI.  That is a very simple number.  It's called cash.  The cost to the REI is cash, and only the cash, that comes out of their pocket.  The rest "should be" (if bought properly), paid for by someone or something else.  Profit is made (and cash flow) on the difference between cash in and cash out.

Post: What will that property cost you?

Joe Villeneuve
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Is he talking about cost based on what the total cost of the property would be over time, or just what the total cost of the property would be to the REI over time? They are different, or at least they should be.

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Cory Lader:

I should have specified 5-10% CoC ROI on a single-family or small multifamily (2-4 units) property. The intent is to see if people have lowered their expectations for returns based on the current market. I have been able to find 5-10% CoC ROI on these assets in some states but it just feels wrong lowering my standards (15% CoC ROI). I'm wondering if others are doing the same. There is no right or wrong answer here or deal to analyze; I'm just fishing for investor sentiment regarding desired returns in a challenging market.

If you found a deal with strict underwriting that netted 5-10% in an appreciating market, would you be interested in it? Why or why not?

To keep things simple, I'm not accounting for the cost of capital (that is very personal and varies for everyone) and I'm not considering other exit strategies. If it works as a traditional rental, everything else is gravy on top.

Those aren't the numbers that matter:
Property Value
Cash in (DP)
Mortgage payment and term in years
rent
monthly expenses

Post: Would you settle?

Joe Villeneuve
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Each deal is specific to your over all plan and the timeline in that plan.  This question is irrelevant since there is no plan, or specific numbers mentioned in the question.

Post: Keep VS sell

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Did I read you would double your investment, even after CAPGains, if you sold?  Sell it.  Do the math:

1 - If you keep it as a rental, how long would it take for the CF to equal the profit if you sold it now?
2 - Right now, with you that profit buried in this property, if you sold, could that same profit now used as a down payment, buy you a larger property value?  Keep in mind, appreciation percentage is applied to the property value, not the equity.

3 - If you took that profit, and invested into a new rental, could you CF that rental.