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All Forum Posts by: Brian Gibbons

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Post: Subject To // Lease option

Brian Gibbons#5 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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California law is different

What is the existing financing on the property now since you bought it, PITI?

If there is existing financing on the property and do you want to sell it on terms

You can look at a lease with option

Or you can look at a lease with right of first refusal

Getting approved for a mortgage is not easy today

If there is a due on sale clause on the current mortgage, you have limitations.

Please describe the existing financing.

Post: Rent to own contract

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2 ways

1. Lease and seperste option to puchsse

2. Ohio land contract

Post: Anyway to turn my lemon into lemonade?

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Originally posted by @Shiloh Lundahl:

@Brent Shields have you done many lease options that way in California? The reason I ask is because California is a tenant friendly state and if someone has been paying towards the house and you are crediting their down payment, could they not just say you are created a mortgage for them and then you if you were to need to get them out of the property for any reason, they could just say that they bought the house on seller financing and then you would need to foreclose on them rather than evict them?

I know @Brian Gibbons does lease option and he is from California. What are your thoughts Brian?

 The best way to do lease options and avoid headaches is to offer a lease and a ROFR.  see https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/83/topics/285298-what-is-a-rofr-why-is-a-rofr-better-than-a-lease-option

If you really want to do a lease and separate option,

-Charge market rent and use as strong of a lease as possible without any mention of the option.

-In the option, state length for 12 months only and can be renegotiated in 12 months, no longer.

-If you are going to do a lease option assignment, 

1 charge market rent and use as strong of a lease as possible Without any mention of the option to purchase.

2 in the option state the length of the term for 12 months only, and this can be renegotiated at the end of the 12 months, do not have any longer open options than 12 months. Reassure the tenant buyer after 12 months the contract can be extended for another year but it may be in a higher sales price (comps).

For Seller: Enter into a lease and a separate option with the seller, and use a letter of intent to state that you are intending to sign the paperwork for a fee.

For Tenant Buyer: Find a tenant buyer, have them sign an earnest money agreement that states that the earnest money will be placed in escrow for him/her to pay an option release fee. also, first and last months rent are to be deposited into escrow account. The seller gets the first and last months rent, you get the option release fee as a real estate investor. I also have the tenant buyer agreed to have seven days to inspect the property with either a builder or an inspector that’s licensed. Before they move in they have to agree that the condition is acceptable.

Next, once all the money goes in the escrow account, a new lease is prepared between the seller and the tenant buyer, and the seller signs it, and also signs an option release fee document, which allows me to get paid as a real estate investor. A new option to purchase agreement is created and signed by the seller. I tell the seller that I will take these documents and get them signed by the tenant buyer, and the deal is almost closed.

At the title company, I have the tenant buyer sign The new lease with the seller, and the new option purchase agreement with the seller, and as long as all monies are in escrow, and the option release fee document is signed by the tenant buyer, the tenant buyer can plan to move in.

The reason why it is done this way: If the paperwork is being assigned with an assignment contract, many times the tenant buyer will have trouble getting a mortgage, so it is cleaner to have a direct contract between the seller and the tenant buyer with no Real Estate Investor linked to the paperwork.

Post: EIULs-- Equity Indexed Universal Life Insurance

Brian Gibbons#5 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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Originally posted by @Bobbie Dancy:

hello my name is bobbie dancy and i am unfamiliar with eiuls can someone help me

  Hi Bobbie:

 Equity indexed Universal life insurance 

This is part of the life insurance family, let’s start with the basics:

 This is part of the life insurance family, let’s start with the basics:

There is term insurance and there is permanent insurance 

 The two basic types of permanent insurance are whole life insurance and universal life insurance, each having a cash savings component.

Universal life insurance can be tied to an index that mirrors generally fortune 500 companies. 

 There is generally a floor which means you can’t go below a certain amount which is usually 0% (you cant lose principal)

 And there is a cap which is generally between 8 and 12% ( if you are more than the insurance company makes that difference)

In a regular mutual fund you pay for gains and losses.  You can make money and lose money.

It is the losses that makes it difficult for a true rate of return to be terrific.

 So if you have an equity indexed Universal life insurance policy, your cash value will grow between zero and 8 to 12%, and you can get access to those funds by borrowing money. 

 The thing that is unique to cash value life insurance is that the cash value growth will always continue even if you borrow money from it or not. Think of it like collateral for a loan. You put up a cash value for collateral to borrow your money but the collateral keeps growing like the loan doesn’t exist .

 It is more expensive to buy permanent insurance whether it’s whole life or universal life.

It is the ability to build cash value in the policy with safety features of no losses and if you get disabled and can’t pay the insurance company will pay that make it an important tool in financial planning.

There is a movement in this country to buy policies that are permanent and build cash value that you have access to down the road in 10 or 15 or 20 years versus trying to put money into 401(k) or IRAs where there’s a lot of rules as far is withdrawing the money and paying penalties if your timeframe isnt incorrect.

 A lot of stockbroker types will say that you should buy term insurance and invest the difference.

 It is not an either or a conversation, but what life insurance tool works the best and in different situations and when in your life do you need it.

 A young family with small kids should have a lot of term insurance to protect in case there was an untimely death and save six months of emergency funds in case somebody loses their job or has an illness,  and take advantage of their employers’s matching program in their 401(k) .

 Because we are  living longer and longer, medical bills are going to be approximately  $200,000-$250,000 that we did not have to plan for past age 65. Sandwich generation folks that have parents in their 70s and 80s are finding that they need to help out their parents  with long-term care and other issues. The new policies that are now available will allow you to have living benefits payments to handle some of these bills. The older policies did not have these living benefits available.

 Protecting your paycheck is another need especially for self-employed people that if they can’t go work their business then They have to go bankrupt or at least get into a lot of trouble with their  credit rating. Disability income insurance helps people protect their paycheck,

I hope this helps somewhat.

Post: required and/or recommended disclosure forms

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Lee 
I forward to talking to you

Brian

Originally posted by @Lee S.:

I've only done my own off market purchase transactions in California and therefore was fine just using a P&S agreement. However, I'm looking to add terms deals to my business (lease options, owner financing etc) and trying to figure out what forms I should use? is a P&S with a TDS enough to legally cover me in these transactions? I'll use a separate option form for a lease option. I despise paperwork, looking to work with a transaction coordinator also. If anyone has done so for their investing business and could also recommend one that would be great.

Post: Larry Goins Course Strategy

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@Jon Lanclos

I agree using a RMLO selling on terms to an Owner Occupant.  Mitch Steven https://1000houses.com/ in San Antonio has down over 1000 wrap deals using private lender money to buy before selling on a wrap, with no due on sale clause.

Post: Do I need a mortgage loan originator?

Brian Gibbons#5 Guru, Book, & Course Reviews ContributorPosted
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Mobile Homes and Rent to Own

See @Ken Rishel

Post: Wholesale Lease Option Paperwork

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Originally posted by @Ronald Potts:

Could someone explain to me how the paperwork listed on here works? What documents allow you to sell a property that you have under a lease option contract? I am so confused.

 Ronald I’m sorry you’re so confused, but Realestate is complicated so you should be confused!

Every state has its own laws.

 But what I will do on this post is I will tell you in general what paperwork to use.

Three stages

The first stages when you create a legal relationship with the seller, so you enter into a letter of intent to lease or purchase,  and this spells out what will happen, that you as a investor and not as an agent will lease and option the owners’ property and you will sell your agreement to a buyer for a fee, and how much this fee is.  The letter of intent to lease or purchase will act as escrow instructions. Letters of Intent work in commercial property all the time.

 Next you have a  lease agreement, and a separate option to purchase agreement. 

 That is the first stage.

 The second stage is finding a tenant buyer. I use an earnest money agreement that spells out that they are buying a property on a lease with option and the earnest money plus 1st and last month’s rent must be paid upfront before they move in.  The earnest money serves as an option fee. The option fee payment is paid in a separate check to a title company or a attorneys office trust account .  The reason for this heroes mortgage companies like to see a paper trail when they originate a new first mortgage, it when it’s paid to the title company or an attorney‘s trust account, it is better than being cut to you the Investor.

 The earnest agreement also covers inspecting the property as acceptable condition.  You want the tenant  buyer to accept current condition Just as a buyer will accept current condition in a sale.

Now what I do myself is to also get a sale and purchase agreement created so that there are no misunderstandings  when the buyer gets the mortgage and closes.  This is  done before they move in.  This creates clarity for the seller and the buyer.

Now once all monies are collected in escrow, I sell my agreement and a new lease and a new option is created between the seller and the buyer.

 The end result is this:

 As an investor I earn 3% of the value of the house as an option release fee.  This is not an assignment fee. 

 The seller gets a tenant buyer that will pay full price in the future and pay closing costs. 

 The tenant buyer gets a house to enjoy and a neighborhood to enjoy in the school district to enjoy today instead of perhaps not the best house or apartment, and has a plan to buy in the near future. 

You may find this confusing but it takes training to be good at anything in real estate. 

Check out my blog on BP. 

 Good luck !

Brian

Post: Inventing in real estate out of state

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@Vincent Billera

Doing lease options in good school districts in the midwest is a smart idea.

Lets say you wanted to invest in Cleveland OH

Look on www.GreatSchools.org

Look on www.NeighborhoodScout.com

Pick the best neighborhoods.

Then look for houses that are in good shape, needs little work, and these houses do not sell with an agent, usually because they bought a short time ago FHA and have little equity.

Look for expireds, canceled listings.

Contact the seller and see if they would be interested in avoiding a commission and closing costs.

Offer to do a lease option assignment at no cost to them. 

 See https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/3/84690-creative-real-estate-business-plan-for-2019-actionable-steps

Post: Seller Financing in Burbank, CA and should I add central air?

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@Shiloh Lundahl

Re Wrap AITDs and alienation clauses - due on sale in California

Due-on hazards

A lender holding a trust deed that contains a due-on clause can call the loan balance due on the transfer of almost any interest in the property. The due-on clause is called an alienation clause, and the call is referred to as an acceleration of the note balance.

The due-on clause is triggered by:

any conveyance of ownership, including land sales contracts;

origination (except home equity loans) or foreclosure of junior trust deeds on the property; or

the creation of a lease for more than three years, or any lease with an option to buy. [12 Code of Federal Regulations §591.2(b)]

The carryback AITD transaction, of course, involves both a sale (the grant deed) and a further encumbrance (the trust deed).

Thus, an AITD transaction triggers the due-on clause in any underlying trust deed, allowing the lender to:

call or recast the loan unless written consent to the sale has been given; or

fail to act on the right to call after notice of the transaction, called a waiver.

Thus, when current market interest rates are high and the AITD is most beneficial to both the buyer and the seller, a senior trust deed lender is likely to call the underlying loan due on the sale. Alternatively, the lender might demand the loan be recast at current market rates, including modified payments to retain the same amortization period and fees for doing so, or the lender may do nothing at all.

Now consider an AITD buyer who (obviously) takes title subject to the underlying loan. The buyer does not assume the seller’s obligation to pay the loan at the time of sale. No lender consent to the carryback sale is sought or obtained by the seller.

Under the terms of the AITD, the seller agrees to hold the buyer harmless from all obligations which exist on the underlying loan. [See first tuesday Forms 442 and 443]

Thus, the buyer is held harmless (by the seller) against any activities of the underlying lender, unless:

the buyer interferes by triggering the due-on clause through further encumbrance, long-term lease, resale, waste, etc; or

a pass-through provision shifts the due-on-sale burden to the buyer, as with late charges, prepayment penalties or future advances.

The seller’s primary duty is to make all the payments due on the underlying loan, as long as the AITD remains of record and the buyer is not in default.

If the buyer fails to make payments on the AITD note, the seller is under no legal obligation to forward his own funds to the underlying lender, or to protect the property from a foreclosure by the first trust deed lender.

Even without the obligation to keep the first trust deed current, the AITD seller may feel compelled by the buyer’s default to advance funds to keep the underlying trust deed current, or else risk the alternative and allow his trust deed to be wiped out by the underlying lender’s foreclosure.

Should the underlying lender call the loan based on the AITD transaction, the seller may be forced to use his own funds or borrow against other assets (or collateralize the AITD) to pay off the lender. Thus, the buyer must agree in advance to cooperate with the seller should the first trust deed be called due and it becomes necessary to refinance the real estate to fund a payoff of the first trust deed.

If possible, prior arrangements should be made with senior lenders to prevent due-on enforcement during the term of the AITD, sometimes called a reverse assumption.