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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Philip

Patrick Philip has started 262 posts and replied 908 times.

Post: Is my house really only worth this much?

Patrick PhilipPosted
  • Florida
  • Posts 912
  • Votes 107
Originally posted by @Russell Holmes:
@Patrick Philip I know right where that is! Small world! I live just off Vick Rd maybe 5 mins from the park you managed.

 Tell Scott in #5 I said hi. He likes beer.

Originally posted by @BJ Everson:

Can you tell your HML that you plan to submit your offer on the property 2-3 days from now so they can order their inspector?

Other risks is that you get your offer accepted but due to valuation by the HML they could say no and you now have a contract you need to execute with no financing in place. Or the HML might not provide enough for the rehab and you dont have the $$ to cover the rest yourself.

 But the wholesale deals go so fast that 2-3 days might be too long.

Just got off the phone with a Hard Money Lender (BridgeWell Capital), and they told me it usually takes them a couple business days to get their inspector out there. These wholesale deals have no inspection period, so once I sign the contract, I must go through with it, or lose my earnest money. They told me their basic guidelines, so should I just go by what they say and if by some chance I happen to be wrong, they I lost my earnest deposit?

As long as the house is 3/2 or more, over 900sf, and not a complete rehab like a fire or flood property, they said they would most likely lend on it.

So my only option is to "risk" my earnest money until I get to know my HML better?

Post: Is my house really only worth this much?

Patrick PhilipPosted
  • Florida
  • Posts 912
  • Votes 107
Originally posted by @Russell Holmes:

@Patrick Philip I'm West of Sanford about 40 mins. I'm familiar with the area, but not enough to know differences by neighborhood looking at a map of Sanford. Going off of your mention of 17-92 being the split of historic district, It is difficult to find comps, especially rehabbed comps, right around your house on Avocado. I think that a combination of starting well over $200k (listing history looks like it was $229k at one point) and the time of year has further cut down on interest. It would take a much more in depth CMA to determine whether you are on point or not, but I think the lack of showings and offers is pointing to that. Maybe ask your Realtor to run another CMA to see if things have changed since listing.

Here are the two closest and most comparable homes I found, both smaller than yours:

1016 OLIVE AVE, SANFORD, FL 32771 (rehabbed 1285sf 3/2) sold for $119k back in March, or $92/sf

1005 S PERSIMMON AVE, SANFORD, FL 32771 (rehabbed 1400sf 4/2) sold in April for $163k or $116/sf

Those prices aren't bad, but they are from last spring.  I would venture to guess demand will pick up again this spring, but whether that will be at or above last years prices remains to be seen.  I think you're getting much closer to market value than you were when up over 220k, but you may need to decrease more if determined to sell this year.  Full disclosure, I don't have a buyer specifically looking for a house like yours. So while in the same market, my advice is not to try and influence your price strategy for any personal gain.  Just simply a personal opinion.

Oftentimes looking only at price per square foot can be deceiving when comparing homes with the same number of bedrooms.  Picture two 4/2 homes that each have living rooms, kitchens, dining room, etc.  One is 1500sf and the other is 1800sf, but no extra separate rooms.  If priced at an even $100/sf, would it really be worth a full $30,000 to a buyer to have the same number of rooms but all 20% larger?  Oftentimes when the number of rooms and amenities are the same and the square footage is within 20%, difference in total price ends up being only around 25-30% of the unrealistic difference found by multiplying the smaller home's price per square foot by the larger home's size.

Regardless, your Realtor doesn't have a whole lot of comps to compare to as we all see the same sold data, so it isn't entirely his fault for not picking a perfect price, but rather a missed interpretation of adjustments somewhere. If he listed it at $160k and sold it tomorrow you may have never known if it could have sold at $185k. There's nothing wrong with calling him to ask him to run a new current CMA and suggest a price he thinks it would sell today at. You may not be willing to drop to that number, but it will open communication.

If all else fails, would it cash flow as a rental if you held on to it?

 I wouldn't want to hold it as a rental because I'd rather get the equity out to move on to the next project.

I used to manage a trailer park in Zellwood. Take 441 north, right on Washington, left on Woodward Ave. Just behind the Family Dollar. I managed it from April 2015 until October 1st of this year. You know the place?

Post: Is my house really only worth this much?

Patrick PhilipPosted
  • Florida
  • Posts 912
  • Votes 107

The address is 215 Avocado Ave. Sanford, FL 32771. I knocked the price down to $184,000 just to try to get it sold and move on to the next one. Most every recent sold (within 3 months) is from the east of US 17-92, which puts them in the Historic District, and mine is not.

Mine is listed at $98/sf, and the other recent solds are mostly in the $150-$160 range. I can't help but looking at this thinking I'm selling for too low.

I just looked at recent sales in my area. There is no difference in ADOM between older versus newer, wood versus block. All depends on pricing.

In other news, my first house went under contract today, due to close on 12/27/18.

Originally posted by @Richard Sherman:

and there are always more deals than YOUR ability to buy them. 

 Good post. I hope this is the truth.

I've found a few apartment complexes that have obvious renovation needs. But I wasn't sure if the neighborhood would allow for rent increases.

And now I know I don't have to join the Freemasons.

Originally posted by @Jason D.:
@Patrick Philip appraisals arent necessarily useless but, as you have seen, they are not indicative of sales price. BPO is just that, an opinion. The market doesnt care about those things, so you need to find out what the market says you property is worth. What are the average days on market in that neighborhood? If the average DOM is 30 days for a $150k property, and your listed at $150k and at 14 days, I'd say you're being a little impatient. On the other hand if you're at 45 days at $160k, I think you need to rethink your strategy.

 What is the best place to find these statistics? Especially specific to a zip code?

I would think that a realtors opinion would be more valuable than mine. At least at this point.

Originally posted by @Jason D.:
@Patrick Philip because appraised value is only useful to banks. It has nothing to do with selling price. I have a property that appraised for a refi at $165k and I know it would only sell for $145k - $150k tops. If a property doesnt sell, its ALWAYS because its priced to high. Think of it this way, if you listed it for $1, would it sell? Of course! So if it would sell for $1 but not for what you're asking, its priced to high.

 So appraisals are useless. But realtor price opinions are useful? Because I had the numbers backed up by realtors. 1 of them was under contract and the buyers got cold feet and never went in to get their final loan approval. I had it off the market for a month because of that.

I'm not sure how to know if I'm just being impatient. ADOM is definitely more than a few weeks according to all statistics I've seen.

Originally posted by @Jason D.:
@Patrick Philip you can buy in bad neighborhoods, you just have to price accordingly. I understand the block vs. frame house preference, but wood frame houses sell every day. I always prefer a block house in Florida but I just bought a wood frame house because the price was right and I know what I can sell/rent it for. You just have to know the markets....

 Then why are they so slow to sell even when listed below appraised value?

I paid $450 for an appraisal, and have had the number confirmed through 2 realtors.