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All Forum Posts by: Patrick Philip

Patrick Philip has started 262 posts and replied 908 times.

Originally posted by @Ellis San Jose:

Plus tax advantages & possible appreciation.

Also, how is that a sustainable business model if you're waiting 10 years to see your money back?

Originally posted by @Ellis San Jose:

Plus tax advantages & possible appreciation.

Wouldn't the appreciation only benefit the owner if they decide to sell?

Are you referring to anything other than 1031 exchange?

I was just reading a news story about a large real estate firm that bought a building for $154,000,000 and that the building has a NOI of $10,100,000. So cap rate of 6.6%.

I know that this firm most always buys with financing. Without knowing the details of their loan, I will take a somewhat educated guess of 80% financed ($123,200,000) at 4% over 30 years.

This amounts to loan payments of $7,058,107.68 per year. This will make their effective income = $3,041,892.32. 

Their 20% down payment would have been $30,800,000. This means that it will take over 10 years for them to see their initial investment back.

Is there something I'm missing?

I'm currently building SFH. I'd love to get into larger projects someday such as condos, apartments, etc. I realize that finding good contractors is an active process. What is your best methods? And what do you build?

I'm currently building SFH. On these I can expect to need about $50,000 for the down payment and interest payments. The rest is financed and I can expect to make around $75,000 profit per house. It's very time consuming managing even 2 houses at once. But if I were to look at larger projects, for example building a condo complex or a planned neighborhood... Is there a way to finance the down payment "creatively?" Perhaps do a JV with someone?

Also, what if I wanted to go the route of building something with the idea of renting it for a few years before selling it to an investor? Do large real estate developers/investors use the BRRRR strategy when doing this?

Post: How do home builders build so many homes?

Patrick PhilipPosted
  • Florida
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Every project I've ever done has required me to watch it on a daily basis.

Yet there are home builders who build over 40,000 homes per year. How do they know they can trust their contractors so much?

Post: How do home builders build so many homes?

Patrick PhilipPosted
  • Florida
  • Posts 912
  • Votes 107

Aside from having enough money. It would seem impossible to keep track of that amount of Workforce. Do they let a general contractor control every single project for them? 

Originally posted by @Syed H.:

We’ve mainly raised from HNW individuals within our network. All accredited investors, investing large sums, usually for interest. Sometimes structure it as corporate debt. This is for flips. We usually target one investor to fund 1 whole flip or at least half. Easier to answer to 1 or 2 investors vs 10. 

For Buy & Holds, we haven't taken any outside money because most people want an exit within 3-5 and we aren't willing to do that yet. Starting now to take 1 or 2 very large investors who we can essentially JV with. Pref + Equity.

I would focus on getting home run deals, getting money shouldn't be an issue. Obviously, this depends on the strength of your network. If you don't have this, first thing is to go network. Mastermind groups, REI groups; etc .

 Have you ever tried crowdfunding sites?

Originally posted by @Taylor L.:

Get out and build your network. I've met some of my investors through a meetup I host, some at other networking events, and some on BiggerPockets. Those are all just introductions, though. The next steps are to follow through, build relationships, and find out who is and is not a good fit for your particular type of offering.

Always issue a PPM when necessary per securities regs.

If you're just offering interest, that would be a loan type of situation. I haven't gotten into that. All of my investors get equity in the property. We've always done preferred returns as well, but they're not required and do not necessarily make sense for all investments.

 Were all of your projects "buy and holds?"

Would it work if you were building something to sell? Like building houses or a condo complex?

Let's assume that you have a track record of success in whatever aspect of real estate that you are doing. You have tax returns and successful projects that you can show potential investors if they ask.

Let's also assume that you have exhausted your supply of "friends, family, and fools," as well as your own personal cash.

Have you always just gone to banks? What about private individuals? If so, did you file a PPM with the SEC and do it that way? Did you use crowdfunding sites?

Did you offer just interest in return, or partial equity? Did you let someone come on as a partner in the project?

Do you have any specific stories you can tell?