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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Syrios

Andrew Syrios has started 74 posts and replied 10051 times.

Post: Stressing over what to do next

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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You're never going to be 3% financing and if it cash flows, I would lean toward keeping it. Remember, if you sell it, you'll have capital gains that you will have to pay since you are buying the other property before you sell you're old house. Even if you have a higher return in the stock market, you'd be doing it with a lower basis after tax and it will take a long while to recoup from that. 

And that also doesn't include principal paydown or appreciation. 

Post: What’s your thoughts on Owner Financing

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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I'm in the process of purchasing another home adding to my portfolio. What's your thoughts on me setting up owner finance on my property?


Seller financing can be a valuable tool when used correctly, but its effectiveness depends on how it's structured and implemented. While it provides opportunities for buyers who may not qualify for traditional loans, it's important to ensure affordability and long-term sustainability. Some buyers enter these agreements without fully understanding the financial commitment, often influenced by overly optimistic advice. Like any financing strategy, due diligence and proper financial planning are key to making it a successful solution for both parties.


 The biggest problem I see with seller financing is the cost of repairs (as well as holding, selling, etc.) Some new investors think of it as a no-money down deal and given those other costs, it really almost never is. So yes, it's definitely something you need to be careful with. 


 Agree. For those that qualify for conventional financing its another negotiation tool, for those that do not its a way to get into real estate but many do not understand what it is they are signing up for.

Regarding it being good for an owner, again it goes back to the borrower, if I have a borrower with 800 credit and I control cashflow its far different than someone with 540 credit. In the latter I would much rather have my money and be in control.


 All things being equal it's usually not good for the owner unless of course it's a way to get the property sold. If it's to a strong borrower and they just want to invest their proceeds, then its fine. But even then, seller financing is rarely substantially better than another investment they could make (including trust deed lending, which will often be at a higher rate than seller financing)


In my experience, the owners who find owner financing advantageous are at the ends of their careers and are not interested in looking for another investment (other than the usual retirement funding sorts.) They don't want to 1031 into something else. They want to get a monthly check without having to work for it. The big advantage is having the capital gains spread out over many years to avoid a huge tax bill. I have bought two by owner financing from the same seller. I see him a few times a year. He often tells me how much he enjoys getting my payments each month. "Cash flow," he says, "with no phone calls from tenants!" He also told me he probably wants to re-negotiate the balloon payment because he doesn't want the bulk of the capital gains all in one year. That's fine with me. I don't really want to go looking for the financing to pay him his balloon payment. Win/win.


 I've had the same experience actually. It definitely tends to be older sellers who are interested in seller financing and I think you're exactly right on the psychology behind it.

Post: What’s your thoughts on Owner Financing

Andrew Syrios
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  • Residential Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10,405
  • Votes 5,050
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
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Quote from @Jason Hathaway:

I'm in the process of purchasing another home adding to my portfolio. What's your thoughts on me setting up owner finance on my property?


Seller financing can be a valuable tool when used correctly, but its effectiveness depends on how it's structured and implemented. While it provides opportunities for buyers who may not qualify for traditional loans, it's important to ensure affordability and long-term sustainability. Some buyers enter these agreements without fully understanding the financial commitment, often influenced by overly optimistic advice. Like any financing strategy, due diligence and proper financial planning are key to making it a successful solution for both parties.


 The biggest problem I see with seller financing is the cost of repairs (as well as holding, selling, etc.) Some new investors think of it as a no-money down deal and given those other costs, it really almost never is. So yes, it's definitely something you need to be careful with. 


 Agree. For those that qualify for conventional financing its another negotiation tool, for those that do not its a way to get into real estate but many do not understand what it is they are signing up for.

Regarding it being good for an owner, again it goes back to the borrower, if I have a borrower with 800 credit and I control cashflow its far different than someone with 540 credit. In the latter I would much rather have my money and be in control.


 All things being equal it's usually not good for the owner unless of course it's a way to get the property sold. If it's to a strong borrower and they just want to invest their proceeds, then its fine. But even then, seller financing is rarely substantially better than another investment they could make (including trust deed lending, which will often be at a higher rate than seller financing)

Post: Why getting into real estate primarily for cash flow is wrong - and even dangerous

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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Cash flow is basically the cherry on top for real estate investors. You really don't get rich off it. The important part about cash flow is that you stay solvent; bring in enough to pay your bills and a little extra for a rainy day. Unless you're not using debt, you're not going to be able to live off your cash flow, at least for a loooonnnngggggg time.

The key for real estate investment is building equity; through built-in equity by buying right, appreciation and principal paydown. That's how you get rich in real estate.

Post: What’s your thoughts on Owner Financing

Andrew Syrios
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  • Residential Real Estate Investor
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10,405
  • Votes 5,050
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jason Hathaway:

I'm in the process of purchasing another home adding to my portfolio. What's your thoughts on me setting up owner finance on my property?


Seller financing can be a valuable tool when used correctly, but its effectiveness depends on how it's structured and implemented. While it provides opportunities for buyers who may not qualify for traditional loans, it's important to ensure affordability and long-term sustainability. Some buyers enter these agreements without fully understanding the financial commitment, often influenced by overly optimistic advice. Like any financing strategy, due diligence and proper financial planning are key to making it a successful solution for both parties.


 The biggest problem I see with seller financing is the cost of repairs (as well as holding, selling, etc.) Some new investors think of it as a no-money down deal and given those other costs, it really almost never is. So yes, it's definitely something you need to be careful with. 

Post: New and trying to figure it out

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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Welcome to BiggerPockets Erica and best of luck investing!

Post: What’s your thoughts on Owner Financing

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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It's definitely a good tool in the toolbox for any investor but I generally find them to not be useful. First off, many sellers don't have sufficient equity to offer seller financing. And even if they do, they have to be fairly motivated to be willing to do so (even if you've built rapport and all that good stuff).

If they are motivated, usually that means the property needs work and they almost certainly won't lend over and above what you buy the property for. So you'll need to bring your own money to do that. And they'll want you to pay off the loan pretty soon (and usually will you as the rate will probably be higher than banks) so there's that too.

For this reason, we definitely prefer private lenders as they will (if you've built trust with them) often lend on the rehab too. But of coruse, getting private lenders isn't exactly easy. So there are definitely times when owner financing makes sense. 

Post: Getting Started in Short Term Rentals

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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Welcome aboard Tyler and good luck investing!

Post: New Member Introductions from NC

Andrew Syrios
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Welcome to BiggerPockets (and KC investing) Tamara and best of luck!

Post: New to Austin, new to RE

Andrew Syrios
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  • Kansas City, MO
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Welcome to BP Anthony and best of luck investing!