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All Forum Posts by: Robert Seed

Robert Seed has started 1 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: Time to Pull the Trigger Charleston South Carolina

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

Hi Guys, thanks for the shout out Russ.  I'd need to know which neighborhood, which you can tell me privately @Chris Armstrong.  In general though, if it's a 3 bed/2 bath duplex, even in the toughest neighborhoods in North Charleston, we are renting for around $800-850/month if that gives you an idea.  So if it's anything better than the toughest neighborhoods, it can probably rent for $850 and up.  I have tons of calls everyday from Section 8 looking for 3 beds in that area as well, if you want to go that route.

I hope that helps.

Roby

Post: Question - working with RE Broker outside the box. South Carolina

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Jeff P. - First, I'd like to give a shout out to Redondo Beach, which is where I was born.  

I wouldn't worry too much about saving any percentages on the commissions since that's coming off the seller side.  I know in theory it's an incentive to listing agents to convince their clients to accept a lower price, but I'd rather have 20 or 30 buyers agents working for me with full 3% commission, if not more, so that they are actively hunting deals, and they get paid when a deal is found, which does not increase the price to you.  

For example, some investors offer wholesalers $10,000 automatically for a deal that meets their criteria, sometimes paid even before closing.  

My recommendation, for what it's worth, would be to think about how can you maximize motivation to your network to bring you a good deal rather than saving money, because if they bring a good deal, it's great if it's a win for the agent or wholesaler, you, and hopefully the seller for that matter.

If you are looking for rental properties in Charleston, let me know, I have a few that are off market that could be of interest for you.  For example, getting 4 or 5 units in one purchase rather than 1 unit for $150,000 as you mentioned.

Cheers,

Roby

Post: Yellow letters vs. MLS

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Jay Hinrichs - Hey again Jay.  Well said and I totally agree.  We are getting great returns in Charleston right now too.  Most of my deals are word of mouth, which takes a long time.  I'd like to add direct mail at some point as well.  Great job on your recent projects!

Cheers,

Roby

Post: Building Homes using "Shipping Containers"

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

Thanks for the feedback Kyle, I hope it goes well.

Post: Multifamily Properties- too good to be true?

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Matthew Thompson - You have all sorts of good questions and comments in here.  I was notified of your post because you mentioned Charleston, SC, which is my market.  

First, you are correct that multifamily on average has a higher cash flow relative to single family (if purchased correctly, there are always exceptions).  I think a lot of folks buy single family with so-so cash flow with the hope that the property will appreciate faster than multifamily, which is sometimes the case, and make their profits at the end with the sale.  Personally, I favor multifamily because you can get better cash flow and you can actually influence the price of the asset (force appreciate) much easier than you can with single family, which is far more reliant on the neighborhood and comps vs. income.

Second, you are talking about the difference of leverage: all cash, vs. most cash vs. little to no cash.  You are correct that the less money you put down, the higher return you have, which actually goes to infinity if you put no money down.  That being said, those returns do the same in reverse if the property is vacant, or goes down in value.  This is why so many folks lost properties in 2007-8.  They had very little money down, were over-leveraged on an under-performing asset, which makes a bad situation really bad.  The simple rule is use conservative numbers, which your 50% expense rule is a good start, and leave a cushion for positive cash flow.  For example, if after operating expenses of 50% and debt service, you only have $100/month cash flow, all it takes is one decent size repair to wipe out your cash flow for the entire year, or potentially 5 years if it's and HVAC or Roof.  So make sure to leave a cushion.  

A really helpful tool to choose your optimal amount of leverage is a sensitivity analysis, which will weigh how much leverage you use (0%, 10%... 90%) relative to adjusting 1 other item at a time, such as appreciation or rent growth rate etc... this will show you in each circumstance how your ROI changes based on how much money you put down relative to different performance such as appreciation or vacancy or rent growth rate. Just remember, leverage exacerbates the outcome both good and bad.

Lastly, with your $100,000, I would recommend trying to buy a $500,000 multifamily asset.  If you buy a mobile home park or Class C multifamily property, you can probably buy around $15,000 - $20,000/unit, so say 25 units +/-.  If you put down $100,000 (20%), then you are financing around $400,000, which works out to around $3,200/month ($38,400/yr assuming 180 month term at 5%) debt service.  If the property is a 10% cap rate, you should expect $50,000 before debt service, so your cash flow after debt service would be $11,600.  Takeaways here: if you paid all cash, your return would be 10% (AKA Cap Rate), however, you are leveraging 80%, and your cash on cash return is 11.6%.  Not a home run, but not bad.

Here is where this gets fun.  Let's assume you found a good deal that rents are below market, so after 1 month you increase rents by $40/unit.  Now, assuming you purchased 25 units, you can increase your monthly cash flow by $40 x 25 units = $1,000/month or $12,000/year, so now your cash flow is $23,600, thus, a 23.6% return in year 1!

Not only that, you just increased the NOI of the property from $50,000 + $12,000 = $62,000, so at a 10% cap rate, you just increased the value of this property by (10 x $12,000 = $120,000) up to $620,000, in one month, by simply increasing rents $40. This is a highly simplified breakdown of everything, but the principles are the same whether it's 5 units or 200 units, but the more units you can get at once the better in my opinion, which is why I would suggest getting a property like the one I mention above. Also, the good news is banks will like you borrowing on this property more than on single family because you are effectively buying a business that throws off money (Banks will be looking at the Debt Coverage Ratio among other things) whereas single family is a little more challenging for lenders at this scale.

Lastly, you can still get these returns with single family homes if you come across the right deals, it just usually takes more physical and capital expenditures to improve their value, which takes a lot more time and energy, whereas with multifamily, you can hopefully exploit mis-management vs physical distress.

Good luck to you.  Let me know if you need help as you go down this road.

Cheers,

Roby

Post: Building Homes using "Shipping Containers"

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Kyle H. Please let me know how it goes with the containers in Charleston please.  We have mobile homes and parks in Charleston with good success and have been curious how containers will perform.  I heard Bill Murray's group is building a development near downtown Charleston using containers, a high rent area, which may be the sweet spot for this product, vs the country where folks can buy a brick ranch home for $50,000.

One advantage I see is stack-ability: if you can get around 3-5 units high, that could offer nice benefits on tough/tight sites.  Where this also helps compared with mobile homes is most of our homes need to be 15' apart for fire safety, whereas I would imagine these could have a 0' offset.  That being said, we are able to do nice used mobile homes for around $15,000 and have a square footage of about 1,280 sf on a singlewide vs. 400 +/- sf on the containers.  Our typical rents for the mobiles is around $700-$850/month in the suburbs of Charleston; again, very curious how this compares with the containers.  I'm hopeful they do great so we can offer more options.

Cheers,

Roby

Post: Best property management software

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Peter Mckernan - I agree and also use Buildium.  I am currently using it for 300 units and it works very well.  I agree, sometimes the fees surprise me, but overall it's worked pretty well.  I highly recommend utilizing the EFT system for receiving and paying bills/rents.  I have most of my vendors setup and can easily pay them via the software now.

Good luck,

Roby

Post: First Actionable Steps

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Dylan HainesGood questions.  Too long to answer here in a concise paragraph, but I think you are off to a good start if you speak with @Russ Scheiderwho I have done a lot of work with in this market with off market deals.  It sounds like @Troy Gandeeis another good resource for on market deals, which are sometimes great as well, we just bought an on market 37 unit deal that is about a 12% cap rate in Charleston.  Most of the deals I have done have been off market though.

When you are ready, I'm happy to help you work through the analysis and decision making. Just give me a call or email. In regards to VA loans, I'm not an expert, that being said, I work with the VA and have about a dozen VA tenants which is a great resource.

Good luck to you.

Post: Investor and Owner of Management Company in Charleston, SC

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

@Jay Hinrichs Well done working across the country.  Jenner is a great spot, beautiful terrain.  

I'd love to catch up for a coffee and check out your properties when you are out here.  You are absolutely right, Charleston is a great rental market.  Pretty much every price point is available within 20 minutes of downtown Charleston.  Multifamily is by far my favorite, but there are some great single family rentals as well.  

I look forward to meeting with you when you are in town.

Cheers,

Roby

Post: Investor and Owner of Management Company in Charleston, SC

Robert SeedPosted
  • Investor and Property Manager
  • Mount Pleasant, SC
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 21

Thanks Scott, Much appreciated.  Absolutely, it looks like you are local in Goose Creek.  I'm in the area daily, so just shoot me a message with a time that's good for you and I'll be there.

Cheers,

Roby