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All Forum Posts by: Robin Simon

Robin Simon has started 636 posts and replied 3875 times.

Post: Important to Ge A Local Accountant?

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In this day and age, having someone local is really just personal preference decision, not really necessary.  It does vary by state though, so you should probably split the difference, and use someone somewhere in Texas

Post: Help with refinancing for a BRRR

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You should have little issue getting 90%-all of your invested capital back in the refi within 3-6 months assuming you can secure a solid DSCR lender (as the above comments go over)

Post: Lenders Matrix LLC... Legit company?

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Agreed with @Jay Hinrichs

Lots of red flags and no google reviews upon googling...

Plenty of reliable and reputable lenders out there on this site as well as a google search away

Post: Second home vs Investment loan. Which one better?

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It really should be determined by your planned use of the property - for both you will need to sign legal documents / affidavits on intended use..

Post: A Short History of Short Term Rental Financing

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I think its definitely a fuzzy area (with a lot of overlap) between the Short Term Rental class that Airbnb arguably started and Vacation Rentals (which I would put VRBO more in and is obviously more of a traditional asset class).  The above really focuses on the financing revolution of financing STRs more like SFRs (long term rentals) than as vacation homes / pure vacation rental properties

Post: A Short History of Short Term Rental Financing

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It's hard to remember sometimes, but Airbnb is only 13 years old, founded in August 2008 at the height of the real estate mortgage crisis.  While there have certainly been ups and downs over the years, it is undeniable that the revolution it unleashed has empowered everyday people to build businesses, wealth, and financial freedom through ownership of investment real estate and cash flows from short term and vacation rentals.The financing side of the short-term rental equation has matured similarly over the past 13 years as well. For the first several years, financing was limited to conventional means, whereby you would have to settle for qualifying for a traditional home mortgage, or non-QM “2nd Home" mortgage, qualifying through your own personal income and DTI.

The Problem

This type of financing makes it incredibly hard to scale, as without being able to count significant STR income to your bottom line, banks would judge you unqualified to add properties and mortgage debt because your W2 or long-term market rent (typically half of what you earn on an STR) was too "low." Many budding STR magnates were locked in frustration, not being able to scale their STR portfolio to create the immense wealth and financial freedom that is possible, due to lack of financing options.

The Solution

Things improved once "DSCR" loans hit the scene in around 2018. These are non-conventional mortgage loans with much friendlier qualification standards than traditional mortgages (no income verification, no tax returns, and most importantly, no DTI) and rates that were still very competitive (typically no more than half to three quarters of a percent higher than conventional). No DTI calcs and quick and easy process meant you could scale and grow rapidly. What’s more, DSCR lenders would allow you to qualify these mortgage loans using the actual prior years’ history of booking income from your STRs (“TTM Actuals Method”), or if that wasn’t available, a non-DTI qualification based on “long-term market rents.”

This led to the next hyper-growth phase of STRs as many investors used DSCR loans to scale their portfolios, acquire lots of properties and build strong cash-flowing businesses. As thousands of investors achieved financial freedom through STRs, more lenders and capital entered the market. Investors would be able to purchase properties through easy qualification based on long-term market rent, plug them into their fine-tuned STR machine and then execute a cash-out refinance a year later; banking higher leverage and recycling STR cash flows into more properties.

In 2021, during a blazing-hot real estate market, property prices were rising and investors who had become professionals in the STR space began struggling to qualify to buy properties that wouldn’t qualify under long-term market rent. They also didn’t want to wait a whole year to build up TTM Actuals when they knew they could hit big STR numbers from day 1. Investors that could access high-leverage loans that would qualify based on STR income on acquisitions could jump-start a scaled portfolio that would enable massive wealth — and allow them to outbid and outmaneuver the competition.  Some lenders that specialize in lending on short term rentals will qualify the properties on purchase through AirDNA projections. This allows professional investors to purchase at high leverage (only 20% down) and qualify based on STR income from the start. No more waiting a year for a cash-out refinance (and going through the fees, appraisal worries, paperwork, etc.) or locking up capital by reducing leverage to qualify through long-term market rents (generally only half of what can be earned as an STR, especially for a professional).

I personally think we are entering a buyers market, where STR professionals are going to be able to pounce on properties that novices are going to give up on, and there should be some great deals out there.  Thoughts?

Post: Can anyone tell me about the DSCR Program?

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Quote from @Jason Harris:

Hello 

I'm in Fairview Illinois which is in the St. Louis metro area, and I have been trying to invest in real estate for a while now. I just recently heard about the Debt Coverage Ratio Program and I was wondering if there is anyone here who can tell me more about this program. 


It is an ideal lending program for investors that are looking to scale or have trouble qualifying under traditional conventional loans (whether because of DTI concerns, no W-2 income, etc.)

The main benefits are that there is no DTI/income qualification, no tax returns required, you can borrow under an LLC, you can borrow with partners and that there are much looser limits on loan size and amount of loans you can do. Drawbacks are that the interest rates / points are going to be a bit higher than conventional (but not too much, example would be a DSCR loan might be 6.75% vs. a conventional at 5.75%). There are also typically prepayment penalties involved, which is only a drawback if you are not planning to hold for the long-term (not a concern for most DSCR borrowers).

Typically the loans are structured with 30-year terms and a fixed interest rate, but there are options to have the rate float after a few years and/or to make interest-only payments for first 10 years.

Really, the ideal loan product for the investor that is just starting out and doesn't have W2/DTI or is in scaling mode from about 5-50 properties (less than 5 typically good for conventional, more than 50 you move into institutional-level financing)

Post: Looking for learning experiences

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Quote from @Nicole Soto:

Hi everyone! I'm looking to increase my knowledge in real estate investing. I'm trying to figure out which route to take. I would love to learn from a knowledgable real estate investor in Miami. Any recommendations on how could I achieve this goal? I would love to work for a real estate investor in Miami who is looking for the help :) Feel free to send me a message.

Also, I would love to attend a Bigger Pockets meetup in Miami. Is there any scheduled for September? Happy to connect! 


 You are on the right track - great advice is not only to look for a mentor to help you, but seek out successful investors to mentor you by offering to help them, without compensation.  Add value and then receive value

Post: sources of DSCR lending

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Quote from @Hoi L.:
Quote from @Robin Simon:

It means that you would personally guarantee the paying back of the loan in the case that you default and the lender forecloses on the property and receives less value in the property than the outstanding balance of the loan, you would be liable to pay back the difference.

Example:

You have a $500,000 loan and default (stop paying), if the lender forecloses and the property is only worth $400,000, you would be liable under your personal funds for the remaining $100,000

Is it also true that if the LLC declares bankruptcy, the personal guarantee would also force the owner to pay off the loan outside of the LLC bankruptcy?

 Yes - its a personal guaranty

Post: Cashout refinance process and timeline

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It would depend on multiple factors, particularly which type of lender (and specific lender) you choose, but I would bet on the process taking about 45-60 days, mostly due to the probably time it will take to get all 50 appraisals buttoned up