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All Forum Posts by: Kevin Moen

Kevin Moen has started 9 posts and replied 199 times.

Post: Utilizing retirement funds from a previous job

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

@Tyson Dierschke

If its from a previous job, you can most likely roll it into a self directed account. If you can self direct it, you can invest it in a note to earn 10% - 12% yield, tax free. That note would be secured by real estate and in my opinion is much safer than a stock, or risky bond. You just want to be sure to buy a note with equity, and the risk is greatly reduced. I buy and sell notes and can help you with this if you would like to learn more. What is securing your retirement account? 

Post: 401k lost opportunity VS Real Estate returns

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

Can you refinance your home, or is this one you are looking to buy? That is how I have dropped PMI on three properties now. It all comes down to the numbers, but I personally prefer notes and real estate over 401(k) investments. I can get much better returns, with safer assets.

Can you self direct your 401(k), then invest in a real estate based asset and use the profits to pay your PMI? That is another option to consider, but may be more risk than its worth if you are new to the game.

Kevin

Post: SEP retirement account

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

If you want to buy real estate with a Self Directed IRA, I can help you out. I buy and sell notes properties with seller financing. I can get you a turn key rental, your SD IRA would make the down payment, and my company would carry a note on the property. That way you do not need any additional financing or a loan. PM me if you would like to talk in greater detail.

Kevin

Post: Self directed IRA vs 401k help please

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

When you utilize a self directed account you choose how and where to invest your money. I prefer buying notes and real estate over stocks. I cannot do that through my 401(k), so I have a self directed IRA to make what I consider better investments.

Post: Turn Key Rental - Complete Stud Out Remodel

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

Please contact me for more detailed information. This property has great cash flow, and was recently remodeled with an effective year of 2012! 

Post: Notes

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

@Bill Gulley thanks for the clarification. I must have misinterpreted your tone; I felt you were suggesting we were just looking to push all liability to our investors leaving them with no safety net in the case of default, unless we saw fit to foreclose. 

I also don't broker notes, I sell partials from notes I hold, and utilize my own funds for most all my investments, having recently opened up to outside investors for acquisition. 

Since it sounds like you have a lot of experience in the area, what are the most common mistakes you see note brokers or professionals making? We created our own risk mitigation table to anticipate and mitigate as much risk as possible for ourselves and our investors.

Post: Notes

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

Then Kevy,

You sell part for what you paid for the whole, retain the back end, don't guarantee payments, not required to foreclose but you can if you think you can get the back end, otherwise the "investor" is out in the cold. And you have no risks. ;))

 Not sure why so cynical, Billy. The investor has the right to initiate foreclosure. That is their safety net, and they invest with equity in the deal for their protection. Our agreement makes it clear they have all the rights we have during the period they are receiving payments, until received in full. It makes no sense for me to screw an investor, or create a situation where they are not profitable, or in a position to mitigate risk. This is too small an industry, and reputation is highly valuable.

Post: Notes

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:
Originally posted by @Kevin Moen:

I invest in performing notes, then sell a partial. For example if I buy a note with 250 payments, I can sell 200 of those payments to a third party investor. That investor is paid all their capital and interest/return through monthly payments serviced by a third party, and we get paid on the back end with the remaining payments. I like the lack of risk, and ability to scale. Let me know if you want to chat more about this model. 

Kevin Moen

 Not exactly true, selling part of your note, you're still the holder, you're guaranteeing the front end too, your risk in it isn't reduced, get some screwball investor in collections and your risk just went up too. 

You can get others to pay for your note, you end up with your profits, that's not a bad way to go. It's better to retain servicing or control over servicing. Good luck guys :)

 Billy, we do not guarantee anything. We cover the potential risk with our partial buyer, but are not liable for payments due from the borrower. However, our best practices are to ensure our investor receives their payment, and if we are in a default situation we may choose to foreclose on the borrower so that our investor gets their capital and anticipated return, and we still effectively monetize the back end of the note. 

We do not service our notes, so we would be retaining control over servicing. We do get our capital back when selling the partial, and being invested in the back end also makes us invested in the deal till the end. 

Kevin

Post: Buying with an old 401K

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

Once you have the ability to self direct your retirement funds, you can use them for many investments as long as you heed the prohibited transactions list. I am looking into investing in notes with my retirement funds, as they provide a great cash flow with much less liability and risk than a rental. Keep in mind if you purchase property through your SDIRA you must keep fairly hands off, and all funds related to the property must go through your retirement account. 

Post: Can I use my Traditional IRA to buy Investment Properties?

Kevin MoenPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 77

@Justin Windham

Thank you for the clarification, that makes much more sense since I was basing my thinking off inquiries related to my 401(k).