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All Forum Posts by: Ryan Deasy

Ryan Deasy has started 25 posts and replied 500 times.

Post: Cash flowing in a hot equity market through house hacking

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Agyei Axum i have been renting by the room for the last 7 years. that is actually all that i do. i would strongly suggest doing that in your case to boost cash flow in your expensive market. i would find comparables in order to price effectively. Like @Ron Gallagher said, craigslist is a highly effective tool. If i can help in any way, let me know!

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
  • Votes 322

@Ismael Mathurin thank you and you're welcome. Best of luck with the first deal!

@Michael Noto thank you very much. i used one of your references for original hard money loan, so thank you again. 

@Alan Dunlap i placed tenants in december and my original purchase was may. it took about 45 days to fill the property. The rehab dragged out for nearly the entire term of the HML, but i would say the bulk of the rehab was completed in 90 days.

@Sasha Josephs i have been long distance landlording for quite a while now. rehabbing outside of my local area was a breeze to be honest. i have a team i can trust and i just made phone calls and checked on progress when necessary. if i was in the area, i would be there swinging a hammer until 3am everyday. for me, i am better off far away. 

i have not done any local rehabs. 

i flew back to the area once, maybe twice, to check on things. i did not fly back to just check on things though. the trip was always for other reasons and i just popped by because i was in the area. if you do not trust your contractor while you are away, that is your first problem. nowadays, we can send pictures and videos very easily. that is all that i need. 

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
  • Votes 322

Sorry it has taken a while to get back everyone. 

@Shashank R. to be clear the 255k figure was part of my original pre-rehab appraisal. I have not received the post-rehab appraisal yet. I am not sure why you would think i would need to put down additional capital. Can you clarify?

i spent at least 20k out of pocket over and above the original 55k rehab budget. 

No worries at all. I am happy to answer any questions you have. if you can clarify your first question, hopefully i can answer it better for you. 

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Shaun James Do it! you will not regret it. if all that typing ends up helping someone, then i’m happy! if you have any other questions, etc that i might be able to help you with, don’t hesitate to ask!

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Brian Stennett Sr thank you. yes, i plan on updating the thread with the appraisal number. should be very interesting!

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Scott Jensen thank you! my pleasure!

Post: My first real BRRRR!

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
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Here is the story of my first real BRRRR! I am so incredibly proud of this property and even through some of the "hardships" i experienced throughout this process i could not be happier with the lessons learned and all of the value gained.

This is a real life example with real numbers.

Property and Loan Details

  • 3 Family
  • Location: New Britain, CT
  • Purchase: $123,000
  • Rehab budget: $55,300
  • Down payment: $18,450 (15%)
  • Loan principal amount: $104,550
  • Total Loan (principal plus rehab): $159,850
  • Appraised as-is value: $125,000 (pre-rehab)
  • Appraised ARV: $255,000
  • Loan Terms: 9.99% for 12 months
  • Interest only payments each month
  • Points: 3.5

Financing

The hard money lender had a few programs. The one I elected was:

  • 85% of purchase and 100% of rehab
    • 15% down ($18,450)
  • Total loan must be 75% or less than the after repair value (ARV)
    • Appraised ARV: $255,000

Here is why my property worked for this program:

  • Appraised ARV value: $255,000
  • 75% of $255,000 = $191,250
  • Total Loan: $159,850 / $255,000 = 62.69%
  • 62.69% is less than 75% or $159,850 is less than $191,250

Lessons

Those were the numbers, which is only part of the experience. Here are some other things that i learned and the stories behind the lessons:

  • Always work with trusted, vetted contractors. If you are like me and doing a long distance rehab, this just got 100 times more important. For those of you that do not know, i am in TX and the property is in CT. 
  • Always budget for contingencies. It is impossible to nail your budget down to the penny. Haven’t you seen those HGTV shows? There are always unexpected issues.
  • If you are renovating an unoccupied property, make sure that when you’re done for the day it looks like the property is occupied. I learned this the hard way after half of my copper pipes were stolen, the other half were bent and damaged and one of my brand new windows was smashed in. This was a $5,000 mistake.
  • When you are getting quotes do not just go with the cheapest one. I was accepting bids for a parking area expansion. I had about 50 people respond to the ad. Here is what happened:

Strike 1: I went with the cheapest guy who did it for about $1,500. There was also a dumpster in the parking area that he assured me he would dig out and place stone under. I mean think about those logistics. How are you going to dig out under a full size dumpster without moving it? I agree, this was stupid on my part for agreeing to this. He finished the job and sent pictures. The pictures were pretty good! Coincidentally, no pictures of the work around the dumpster. Nevertheless, fine, I paid him. Guess what? Turns out pictures were deceiving the parking are looked like complete hell.

  • Incorrect stones on grass...
  • Under the dumpster (sideways, sorry!)
  • Grass coming through stones (sideways, ugh)

Strike 2: Price was $1,300, different guy and “far superior” stone and materials. It was great for 1 week. The area was packed down, no grass showing through and seemed to be fine. This time i was actually in the area and inspected it myself. It seemed great so i paid him. Everything was okay until it rained. After it rained it turned into a massive mud pit. I had to call tow trucks to remove stuck tenants. In fact, there was a time where the tow truck gave up due to such poor conditions. Can you imagine the angry phone calls I was getting?

  • The mud pit
  • Van in mud up to its bumper

Attempt 3: The third guy did an absolutely incredible job. He dug out the whole area much deeper, used real professional machines and laborers and it has been a dream ever since. That cost was $5,700. If I had just done it right the first time…

  • Looks awesome!
  • No complaints from tenants anymore!

Remember the guy that was “strike 1” in the story above about the parking area? So he also agreed to refinish all of my wood floors for about $1,700. Jack of all trades, right? This property is 4,000 square feet with nearly all wood floors. Great price, right? Him and i agree to the job and he promptly “finishes” the job as he said he would and sends about a dozen pictures showing his work. The pictures look great! I am happy with the work and send the payment. Come to find out, once the floors dried, they looked horrible. There were polyurethane splashes, bare spots and sander gouges everywhere.

  • Looks decent right?
  • Pictures can be very deceiving...

Lesson: Do not rely on pictures, ever. If you are in the area, get off the couch and go look at it yourself. If you are too busy or not in the area, have someone go inspect the work. Pay someone to go inspect the work. It will be worth your time and money. Trust me. The only exception i have to this is my trusted general contractor who has done dozens of jobs for me and i trust him explicitly.

Those were some of the stories i had from this job. Here is where i am at now. At the time of this writing, it is April 2019. May 2019 will be 12 months which means i need to refinance out of this hard money loan and into something more permanent. I am well underway on the refinance already.

Last week i paid for an appraisal to be done on this completely renovated property. I have not received it back yet, but when i do i will receive a loan based on 75% of the appraised value. Here is how i am hoping the numbers work out.

Refinance

Total amount to be paid off: $159,850

Appraised ARV: $255,000

  • This was done pre-renovation but is still a good number to use for projections.
  • Still waiting for my post-renovation appraisal

$255,000 x 75% =$191,250

$191,250 – $159,850 = $31,400

$31,400 – $10,000 (closing costs) = $21,400

At closing, i am hoping to receive $21,400 to fund my next deal.

Current Rental Income

I was able to rent this property after all of the interior renovations had been completed. My tenants were in place while some of the exterior items like the roof, siding and parking area were being worked on. Here are the specs on the rental income (utilities are not included):

Unit 1: $1,550

Unit 2: $1,600

Unit 3: $1,550

Garage: $75

Total gross income:

Monthly: $4,775

Annual: $57,300

Overall, even though i have not quite wrapped up this whole experience, i would say it has been an extremely positive one. I have a few other rentals but none required the extensive planning, renovations and forethought that this one did. I learned a lot of valuable lessons here that i will take with me throughout my real estate investing career.

As always, if anyone has any questions about anything they thing i could help them with, please feel free to reach out! I am always willing to give my time to a fellow entrepreneur.

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Post: "subject to" on a BRRRR property with construction loan

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Justin Hammond thanks. yes correct hard money. I have considered that, i just figured this would certainly alarm the lender and yield a greater chance of them calling the loan due. any thoughts?

@Wayne Brooks thank you. i am curious. Why do you think an HML would be more apt to pull the trigger than a regular conventional bank?

@Michael Thompson thank you. have you done this with an HML? if so, what was your experience?

@Matthew Irish-Jones thank you. i could do that. i was just trying to avoid going through that process, paying points, and all the other costs associated.

@Rick Imby thank you. i didn't know that was possible. i will have to ask my attorney about this. 

Post: 10 WAYS TO BUY AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY WITH NO MONEY DOWN

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Vincent Ludegna my hard money lender will do 100 percent of purchase and 100 percent of rehab if the loan is under 65 percent of the ARV. It may be worth looking into. Also, you could do subject to or some other sort of creative seller financing. let me know if you need any other info.

Post: how to find a private money lender

Ryan Deasy
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  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 542
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@Christopher Courter i have never built an investment property but have used hard money for rehab. i know my hard money guy will do 100 percent of purchase and 100 percent of rehab if the loan is under 65% of the ARV. it may be worth looking into. so, if you could build it for 65,000 but it was worth 100k, he would fund the whole thing and you would just pay closing costs. Now, i don't know if his plans start to change for a ground up construction, but that program is available for rehabs.

if you are looking for a truly private lender, you may want to consider hitting up all of the local meetups that you can. that is usually where those sort of people can be found. 

if you want my HMLs name and contact info, just let me know.