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All Forum Posts by: Ryland Taniguchi

Ryland Taniguchi has started 33 posts and replied 765 times.

Post: stock market in free fall

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
  • San Francisco, CA
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Real estate tends to go in an 18-year cycle with notable exceptions being World Wars and Currency Crisis. I've been in real estate investing for a full cycle now and the market now reminds of 1997/1998. The 2000 tech crash is coming, cause a dip in real estate and then real estate keeps crushing on.

I don't think the next stock market crash will be like 2008 (unless the dollar goes into a free fall). Real estate goes in supply and demand cycles and there seems to be too many housing shortages right now (at least in my market in Seattle). Also, interest rates will stay low due to global deflationary pressures. All the ingredients for 7 to 10 more years of a real estate bubble.

But no one knows whats going to happen. I try to do triangular real estate investing. One part wholesaling/flipping/developing, second part cash flow rentals, and third part out-of-state tax lien certificate investing. The idea is that tax lien redemptions tend to drop after major real estate market crashes and allow me to pick up properties 10-cents to 25-cents on the dollar. It seems to me a good hedge against the downside of a market crash.  For flips during a crash, less risky to Joint Venture with equity partners than to borrow. Always have 2 or 3 exit strategies like Vacation Rentals (if you buy strategically in the right areas). Always expect the worse to happen. 

Also, I think bank financing is more risky during market crashes and it was hard to imagine before the 2008 crash that huge banks like Washington Mutual would go out of business. Don't rely on bank financing during a crash and make sure to have fixed rates and don't rely on HELOCs. Private money is the way to go. However, lots of money gets scared during the crash. I've personally been working with institutional money and hope to be in position to take advantage of the next crash.  I love crashes because that's the only time you can get appreciation and cash flow at the same time. 

Post: Second position

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
  • San Francisco, CA
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Originally posted by @Damion York:

Any lenders that don't mind second position?

 It's possible and I work with 3 private money lender. But here is the catch. Extremely difficult and all of my private lenders that will do it only do one at a time. We also have an extensive track record and have consistently done 20 to 35 flips a year for several years and paid the private money lenders back over a large sample size.

In other words, you have to earn it. Start by delivering consistent returns and then earn getting second position loans from private investors based on track record. If you look to get second positions, you want to get very good deals that are better than the "70% of ARV minus construction formula.' If they are going into second lien position, you want to have plenty of profit margin to make sure the seconds get paid.

I also would never recommend getting a second loan behind a bank loan as banks will foreclosure and wipe out the 2nd lien positions. 

But here is the paradigm shift that may help you. Why get a 2nd loan? In my experience, it is easier to find a flexible seller and get a first position loan with private money to pay the seller a substantial upfront money to get the seller taking a second position loan. 

Nghi is a flipping master here, but I don't think it is that difficult to wholesale. I've been mentoring a few new investors on wholesaling and they are finding deals. I think the key is to be relentless and take massive action.

Definitely a seller's market. We do about 20 to 30 flips a year and I think it is easier to flip in a buyer's market. Inventory is tight but I see at least one good deal that fits the 70% of ARV minus construction at least once a week.

Post: Tacoma House To Flip And Build On Lot

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
  • San Francisco, CA
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Price Together: $128,000 (includes assignment fee). Seller wanted to sell together and so we couldn't separate the two tax parcels.

Land Value of 517 E Morton - $33,000

House Value of 523 E Morton - $95,000

517 E Morton St, Tacoma

Comps Less Than 1 Block Away

4 Bed, 2.5 Bath, 1550 Square Feet

We just built almost the exact thing in Tacoma and it cost $142,000 for horizontal and vertical. Sold for the same price.

If you buy from us, we ask for the list back.

New Construction of 517 Morton

Finish Value: $229,000

Closing Costs - $23,000Development Costs - $50,000

Construction Costs - $92,000

Carrying Costs - $20,000

Loan Fees - $5,000

Profit - $39,000 (17% Profit)

Flip of 523 E Morton

Flip ARV - $190,000

Construction Costs - $29,000

Hold Costs - $5,000

Closing Costs - $15,000

Price - $128,000

Profit - $13,000

83% of ARV Minus Construction Costs - $129,000

Downpayment Estimate - $50,000

Total Profit - $52,000

Email [email protected] or call 206.832.9590 for more information.  Contract expires 8/26/15.

517(lot) & 523 E Morton St Tacoma 98404

2087230051 & 2087230061

Post: What no one says about using OPM (other people's money)

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 786
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Originally posted by @Ron Thomas:

If you read real estate investment books, articles on BP, listen to podcasts or just generally find yourself learning about real estate investment then you will notice a common thing that is almost invariably mentioned, the use of other people’s money. A term so frequently referenced that it even has it’s own acronym, ‘OPM’.

It’s a simple, brilliant concept really. Basically you fund most, if not all, of a given venture with funds that don’t actually belong to you. Some of the often cited benefits include less personal money out of pocket, the ability to leverage more assets then you otherwise could, potential increased returns for yourself, ect… Gratuitous amounts of ink have been expended in many ‘how to’ style real estate books about the art of asking for money from others. You are supposed to present your deal as an opportunity, as opposed to a financial favor. You can motivate potential investors by creating a veneer of ‘act now or you might miss out’. The list could go on for a while.

This is all well and good but its only half of the story, and the less important half at that. I don't think that I have ever read one chapter, blog post or even word about the responsibility you take on when investing with money that is not your own. This silence is deafening and feels profoundly misguided. If I were approached by someone asking me to part with my funds for thier project the very first, and I mean VERY first thing I'd want to know is if this person takes seriously the responsibility implicit in what they are asking of me. I wouldn't ask them this, its hard to imagine an answer other than 'absolutely'. Rather, I'd let their knowledge (or lack thereof) inform my assessment. Sure, I'd want to know the basics of the investment. I'd want to know the IRR for myself and any other partners, whether or not the person asking for money actually has any skin in the game, the plausibility of any forecasts or pro-forma details, the background of the person asking for money, ect…. These details, taken as a whole, can begin to offer clues as to whether or not those with a hand out respect the responsibility they are asking to carry when suggesting that you part with your dollars upon their request. For example, someone could present to me an investment with very attractive pro forma returns but, if the predictions include rent increases beyond what evidence supports, I would question whether this person takes their responsibility seriously. Sure, they may have crunched the numbers on an offering memorandum, but have they bothered to learn what is behind those numbers and why? Does this knowledge blind spot suggest a lack of respect for what they are attempting to undertake?

The real estate entrepreneur is someone whom must posses a great deal of knowledge and expertise to reasonably asses what their projects are likely to return, in the real world. Foregoing this necessary learning process and jumping right to the part of asking others for capital is not only risky to everyone involved, its also an obvious rookie move to the seasoned investor.  You're not going to get turned down because the investor misunderstand the opportunity presented, you're going to get turned down because you misunderstand what you are asking for....unjustified trust.

I write this because its personal to me. I’ve been a student of real estate for a long time, I’ve assembled a portfolio of a dozen houses that performs pretty darn well, I’ve studied economics at the university level and ran a business basically my entire adult life. Not too long ago it occurred to me that I want to really begin to grow in real estate. There is obvious and large opportunity for those that play the game well. It seems like a fun, challenging industry that requires a breadth of knowledge and rewards those who put forth the necessary effort. But another thing occurred to me as well. I didn’t yet feel comfortable enough with my own knowledge to ask other people to allow me to take risks with their hard earned cash. I’ll bet I could have pretty easily persuaded any number of people I know to invest with me in whatever projects I wanted to put together. I’m fortunate in the sense that I think I have a reputation, among some people that know me well, as someone who is trustworthy enough to invest with. BUT, despite my desire to get started, I chose to put on the brakes and educate myself, to forego possible short-term paydays in favor of long-term risk mitigation. I think I’m now, after much preparation, nearly ready to started.  Any unrealized profits I could have made in the meanwhile notwithstanding, I'm very happy to have made the decision I did.  

Nuance, planning and knowledge form the backbone of any investment. It worries me to see so much about how great OPM is and yet so little about how important it is to actually know what you’re doing before you ring up your friends and family with a hand out. The people who you ask for money likely spent their finite time on this earth earning what you are asking for. Don’t take their time or money for granted.

Bad deals chase capital, but capital chases good deals.  Truly good investments do not require great sales techniques.  I'd contend that your time is better spent learning what makes a great deal than learning how to persuade others to fund a mediocre one.  If you think using OPM is a great way to rake in cash, you’re in plentiful company. If you truly respect the very real responsibility in doing so, however, it appears you may be a needle in a haystack. 

Kind of like the chicken and egg question. How do you get real estate experience unless you do it? Now a days, you can get a pretty good education wih books, podcasts and Biggerpockets. These were only available through expensive Gurus when I started 15 years ago. I think the only way out of the "chicken and egg" problem is get someone to mentor with or seasoned vet to partner with. Since OPM is a big responsibility, a new investor should not use OPM unless they have a mentor or JV with a very seasoned investor.

I think the danger in real estate is if you use OPM and think you know it all. 

If you understand how to analyze real estate and understand how the market cycles work, real estate can be one of the safest investments in the world. What makes Real Estate such a powerful wealth vehicle is OPM. Use OPM responsibility when you have a margin of safety in either cash flow or equity.

When you use OPM and if you do lose money, what you next will define your investing future. Do you try to pay back your OPM?

Originally posted by @Bryan Hancock:

If all of the investors are in your state then a 504 exemption is likely more flexible for your situation.  There may be other state exemptions too.  You need to speak with a securities attorney in your state, but you can probably get an offering memorandum (or PPM), OA, and subscription agreement set up for about $15k or so.  

 In Washington State, everything is way more expensive because the state level (department of financial institutions) is way more strict and demanding than the SEC. DFI will go through every property you've purchased. I have heard of investors getting fined for doing subject-to and lease options with the loan purpose of owner occupancy because the investor was not a licensed lender. DFI often makes you change the prospectus over and over. 

Post: Greenlake Flip - $114 k Profit

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
  • San Francisco, CA
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ARV - $750 k

Rehab - $48 k

Price - $525 k

Profit - $114 k 

Have under contract till 10/31/15. Will flip myself if we don't wholesale it.

Email [email protected] if interested.

Post: Lake Stevens Development

Ryland TaniguchiPosted
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After-Construction Value - $434,000

Construction Estimate - $201,490

Have private money funding approved on this 65% CLTV for $282,100 (12% and 4 pts).

90% Loan To Cost: $43,400 minimum down

Land owned free and clear. Seller will carryback up to $125,000 in 2nd position if buyer providers other collateral up to $65,000. If seller does a carry back of $108,500, buyer needs to provide other collateral up to $48,500.

Downpayment without Seller Carry Back: $151,900

Profit Estimate: $49,000

Email me at [email protected] for more info

Originally posted by @Reda Eldehiry:

I have multiple friends/people in my network interested to be private equity investors/partners in my flipping deals in WA. The agreement is that I will be receiving 20% of profit for managing a deal from purchase to sale. Every partner will then get a percentage out of profit equal to the percentage their investment represents out of the needed funds. If there is a loss, it will be divided according to the same percentages. 

What is the simplest legal way to structure these deals given that every deal will have different partners/investors and the property being purchased for each deal is not defined beforehand?


Whether the answer is an LLC or not, what is the tax, title, profit/loss division implications?
I am a newbie in such matters, so please explain in plain english :)

If you also have a recommendation for a real estate attorney in the Seattle area let me know.

 That sounds like a security requiring $50 k to $100 k in legal fees for rule 506 PPM, prospectus, subscription agreement with risks identified, 6-page term sheet, reg D filing. Stay away from doing a security without the right disclosures.

I'm not a lawyer so talk to your lawyer on this opinion of mine. Disclosure: this is not legal advice.  It was taught to me by my attorney and so it as it is. Rather than dividing profit equal to the percentage of investment (which could be considered a general solicitation, here are some alternatives.

1) Fund each property in it's own LLC and each investor brings money on that that LLC for one property.

2) Set-up an LLC through your attorney (don't do this on your own) where you are the managing member at 20% and 4 friends are members who buy in at lets say $10,000 each as members. The members can always loan money to the LLC, let's say $100 k at 7% each. If your attorney says this is not a security, then discuss how this can be done. The members get interest on their loan collateralized by chattel (assignment contracts, houses owned while the LLC is flipping, etc.) and they also get their membership interest in the LLC.

I can't emphasize enough the importance of getting a good lawyer that understands Securities in this type of deal structuring.