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All Forum Posts by: Ken Boone

Ken Boone has started 9 posts and replied 981 times.

Post: First STL: Target CashFlow or Location Near Home Base

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Yea I agree with John.  I like the 1-5 hour thing.  Mine are about 3.5 to 4 hours away.  Not that you can't do it from a long distance because you definitely can, but to get a feel for everything it would be easier if it was closer for you to reach it.

Post: Best books on vacation rentals?

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Before I got started I got this book and felt it was a pretty thorough overview:

How To Rent Vacation Properties by Owner Third Edition: The Complete Guide to Buy, Manage, Furnish, Rent, Maintain and Advertise Your Vacation Rental Investment Paperback – November 1, 2013

by Christine Hrib-Karpinski (Author)

Post: Vacation Rental - Is 10% cash on cash too low for first STR?

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Well when I first got into it I was relying heavily on my realtor in the area that specialized in working with investors.  When I first purchased I was comparing the last couple years of rent records - which now I understand don't mean that much.  However, when the property I ended up buying as my first showed rental records that far outpaced everything else I was looking at I figured I could at least do it that well.  Anyway, I was blessed with a home run on that first one and then I just continued purchasing similar properties with similar features cause I know what to look for and I know how to price.   So for instance if I bought another one that is similar and they only showed that it rented for $200/nt - I would know it is that low because they don't know what they are doing.  I know my market very well now from experience so I know now exactly what I want that works for me.

I have never used Airdna so don't know much about it so I'll let others comment on that.  I just know when you are looking at airbnb/vrbo you are looking at a mixed bag.  You are looking at long term property owners that set their pricing years ago and don't follow the market and they are happy with it but really don't know what the market brings, you are looking at management companies that will drop the price just to get high occupancy numbers (not saying they all do that), etc.  Look at this post from @Luke Carlhttps://www.biggerpockets.com/....  That is probably a pretty good way to figure out what the pricing should be around.

Post: Vacation Rental - Is 10% cash on cash too low for first STR?

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Originally posted by @Peter Amendola:

 @Erik B. @Cliff H.


For your first short term rental property, how beneficial is it to start off locally? It seems that from your feedback, it is more important to find the 20%+ CoC return in a remote location.

I started my first one remote and all subsequent others are remote as well.   Now having said that I am more of a hands on person and I do like to visit my properties to inspect first hand as well as do various maintenance and upgrades on them.  Sometimes I have my handyman do them and sometimes I do them.  I could easily not do any of that and just let my handyman take care of those tasks but I do enjoy visiting my properties.  Having said all that my properties are only 4 hours away so I can easily drive there.  In your case, being in the keys, I am thinking unless you invest in Miami or somewhere in lower Florida you are gonna have to fly to visit your remote properties.  In that case you will need to rely more on your handyman and cleaner to keep everything in order but it is very doable.

Post: Successful Short-Term/Airbnb Rental Investing Out of State

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Been doing it for a few years now with multiple properties.  The main items - need to find local cleaner and backup and good handyman and backup - people you can trust.  They will be your eyes and ears.  Keep in mind, they will make mistakes, forget things sometimes, just like we would if we did that job every day.  So just expect that some things will happen and it will just be a cost of doing business.  I like visiting mine however, they are very hard to get into because they are booked non stop.  Depending on what is going on in my life, I decide whether or not I want to visit to perhaps do a repair or I can choose to pay a handyman to do it.  If I pay a handyman it is completely hands off.  BTW.. I make that decision not based on how much it is going to cost, because most repair costs are negligible compared to the income it generates.  I make that decision based on IF I want to do it.  For instance I will be heading up soon to change out a deck railing to an updated style.  Most folks would probably pay some one to do it but I shut the cabin down for 2 days so I can enjoy it and do the project myself because I want to.  Not because I have to.

After trustworthy cleaner and handyman with backups - you need to set up a few things to help you out. - i.e. digital door locks, wifi controlled thermostats, ring camera on the exterior entrance.  Those kinds of things.

I recommend doing it.

Post: Investing in sevierville and gatlinburg

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Originally posted by @Jay Mennel:

Thanks Colin!  Will check them out!  

We just went under contract this morning for our first STR in Wears Valley! So excited!

 Congrats man!  That is exciting.  I have one in Wears Valley as well and I love it.

Post: Investing in sevierville and gatlinburg

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Originally posted by @Jay Mennel:

Just came across this thread!! We're hoping to be under contract for a STR in wears valley soon…. Debating on self managing or getting a property manager…. Would love to self manage at some point but not sure if we're ready

anyone have suggestions on a good place to buy arcade games?  We’re looking at. A couple properties that were primary or secondary homes. So would need to add hot tub, arcade games, pool table, etc

Go see David at Arcade Headquarters in Sevierville.  He is the best!

Post: Trash pickup solution for short-term rentals

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Uh you tell them to take it or you get new house cleaners.

Post: Too Steep for Airbnb?

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@Kyler J Sloan This is an investment forum. People come to this forum specifically for STR investment advice and strategies. Usually with the premise that they are trying to maximize cash flow. So that is how most people are going to respond to these posts with these topics. Again, as I said if you just want this property mainly for your own use and you want to use it as a side hustle to generate some extra cash then that is great. No problems with that at all. If that makes you happy by all means do it. I really mean that.

However, if you are seeking advice on this being a great investment STR (which you may not be)- it is not. The reason so many people tried to make an offer on this is because of the buying frenzy for STRs that has been going on over the last couple years. Lots of bidders doesn't make it a good investment during this buying frenzy.

Look sure there is liability like others have said - but insurance can help you with that. It's all the headache man that comes with this place. Two years ago, my HOA had about .2 miles of the road paved, which was the last .2 miles up to one of my cabins. The cost was 80k. The price has gone up since. So paving the road is an expensive option. It's the bad reviews and irate guests and the 11pm phone calls from guests that are going to drive you crazy.

A good investment should give you a good return on your money with little stress, little work, etc..  This is most definitely not the case with this property.  I promise you - you will be constantly working on this road.    Again, now you stated you won't rent it when you are there.  If that is the case, you are also cutting down cash flow - the more we learn about this place the less opportunity for cash flow we find.  

So we get back to this - if you want this property because you want it and you just want to try to earn some side cash to help pay for it that's great.  If you are buying it for a great investment - its not - there are far better properties for STRs.  

But the more I hear about this I am thinking you are just trying to validate can you do airbnb with this property. The answer is yes no problem. Will it be a great cash flowing STR - dunno. Will it have a bunch of headaches - absolutely. Is this a great investment - no there are far better ones out there.

You want to get to the bottom of why it is a bad idea - again this is coming from the perspective of whether or not this is a good investment.

#1 - Far better cash flowing properties available that won't have all the headaches that this one will have.

#2 - You are right in the sense that what makes this one unique is it's view - but to get the higher rental rates that has to be combined with other things - amenities - accessibility to name a few.  This is lacking in accessibility.

#3 - You don't fully understand the issues with guests driving up these roads.  My mountain top cabin has wide freshly paved roads and I still get comments that guests were scared to death coming up the road (even though my daughter's Toyota Prius can get up it without going into lower gear).  With your road being gravel and one lane wide, some guests are going to freak out.  Like someone else said on your jeep post.  They will crap when they see it.  Guests crapping means unhappy guests - no review or bad review.  Bad reviews reflect poorly on future booking potential.

#4 - The road will take a lot of maintenance - Maintenance costs money - More money spent on expenses lowers ROI.

#5 - You will have guest stranded - more headache - more cost to help situation - lowers ROI and guest satisfaction.

#6 - You might find it hard to find contractors to work up there.

#7 - Don't know how you can effectively rent it just when you are not there?  You need to open up your calendar for bookings.  Will you know a year out when you will be there or when you won't be there?   What happens if you need to be there but its already booked?

#8 - Back to the road - you get a washout from a summer rain storm and guests can't get up there. Then you can't get someone to fix it for a couple of days.  You can have all the people lined up ahead of time - but things happen.  Then more headache.

I am sure there are a few that I am missing, but with the exception of #7, I can find STR properties in that region that will produce great cash flow and not have to deal with items 1-6, and 8. So given that, the only reason to purchase that property would be for personal interest and not necessarily an investment.

Again, just trying like others to give you sound advice.  What you do with it is solely up to you.

@Peter Amendola In the end, neither option is wrong.  You just have to go with what you are more comfortable with.