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All Forum Posts by: Stone Teran

Stone Teran has started 53 posts and replied 369 times.

Post: Private or Hard money lender recommendations

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Maya S.:

Hello BP,

Could you please recommend a private or hard money lender to buy a rehab property? Plan is to buy without any down payment and refinance after rehab. 

Thank you,

Maya

 Good luck with that.  I certainly wouldn't lend to someone with no skin in the game.

Post: Here's what NOT to do when submitting an offer....

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Justin B.:
Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

Did they tell your agent that it was signed and accepted? Then you have a binding contract. 

Ned,

I just have to point out this is not true in case based on this he tries to take legal action.  Unless he or his representing agent actually received the signed contract back, nothing is binding.  You can argue that if you were "told" it was signed and accepted it's binding, but it all goes back to what will be upheld in court.  If he sues and goes before a judge and tells the judge he and his agent were "told" it was signed and accepted but you can't produce a document, it will get thrown out without hesitation.

Even with the agent as a witness (the agent the seller told it was signed and accepted), without an actual document, no judge would rule in favor.  The judge has no proof that anything is truth or a lie.  It's all hearsay.

 I agree it wouldn't hold up in court but for a different reason.  Oral contracts are valid in almost all forms of contract law so it wouldn't just be thrown out point blank as hearsay.  BUT in real estate, most contracts are only binding on paper.

Post: Quitting Your Job is the WORST Decision for Newbies? Right?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Wait for the boat to be near the dock before you jump!

 Haha, great quote.  Working for someone else is usually more stable than being self-employed, so keep that dayjob until your own business was grown enough to support you plus leaves cushion for the added risk.

Post: renting in the winter

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120

What stinks is keeping the heat on while it sits vacant.  I'd still buy it.  You sometimes find better deals in the dead of winter.  Also, rehabs often take longer than expected.

Post: How many pages is your lease?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I'm tempted to say what's the matter with you people. 12-20 pages lease? Give me a break. Even the standard residential lease agreement from California Association of Realtor is only 5-7 pages. I'm with @Mike H. on this. My lease is only 3.5 pages, and I'm looking for ways to cut it down to 3. It used to be 4 pages. I go over every page with my tenant and have them initial and acknowledge at the bottom of each page and sign on the last page.

I just finished reviewing a 40-page NNN lease agreement on a retail store. There were a whole bunch of manure on that lease IMO. I'm going to have my attorney negotiate a lot of those BS terms out of the lease and add in some clauses of our own if I'm moving forward with this lease. Ironclad lease or not, the judge has the final say when it comes down to it.

 Yup.  The lease can say all it wants but if it deviates from the norm or reasonable standards, the judge will often side against the landlord.

Post: How many pages is your lease?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:
Originally posted by @Stone Teran:

 The majority of my evictions have come from the purchase of run-down apt buildings where half the population is not paying and/or selling drugs and we have to cut out all the bad apples.  The eviction rate for the new tenants is pretty low. 

 Well... that's a relief! I was worried about you for a second. You have an interesting business niche and a different type of clientele. Do you use MTM rental agreements or long term leases? And why? Do you run into a lot of people who are illiterate and/or who can not seem to grasp the meaning of the terms in your rental agreement/lease?  Or is it more that they are defiant? I imagine D properties attract a lot of rule breakers and trouble makers. A lease of fewer pages, but with the right punch, may be just right for your market. Curious as to what others with D properties are doing.

 They are 1-year leases.  These people may be lazy but not illiterate/brainless.  They have rented before and know the process well.  They appreciate my shorter lease agreement.

Post: How many pages is your lease?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:
Originally posted by @Stone Teran:
Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

@Stone Teran, that's interesting that your attorney wife has seen it and not wanted to add to it. What sort of tenants do you attract? A, B, C? Have you ever had an eviction? How long have you been a landlord? (I'm not picking on you, I'm just curious.)

I downloaded a free residential lease that was 7 rather large-spaced pages. 

 D tenants :)

We've had 20-25 evictions.  I've been a landlord 9 years.

Whoa! How many units do you have and how often do you have turnovers? How could this be working for you? Begs the question... what type of rental agreement or longer term lease is best for D tenants and D properties?

In the course of 20 years and 16 rental units we have had three evictions. All three stayed until the sheriff came and the evictions were swift, completed in less than one month. Our properties are in the B-C range and our market niche is low-income and fixed income. A well thought out lease or rental agreement could save a landlord a load of headaches, if one is willing to keep an eye on the property and enforce the terms of the agreement.

 The majority of my evictions have come from the purchase of run-down apt buildings where half the population is not paying and/or selling drugs and we have to cut out all the bad apples.  The eviction rate for the new tenants is pretty low. 

Post: Do you pay yourself rent?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120

No, you don't pay yourself rent.  If you live in 1 unit and a 2nd is being renovated, you treat 3/4 of the building as part of your business and 1/4 as personal.  You can't just deduct 100% of your insurance, etc if you live in it.

Post: How many pages is your lease?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120
Originally posted by @Mindy Jensen:

@Stone Teran, that's interesting that your attorney wife has seen it and not wanted to add to it. What sort of tenants do you attract? A, B, C? Have you ever had an eviction? How long have you been a landlord? (I'm not picking on you, I'm just curious.)

I downloaded a free residential lease that was 7 rather large-spaced pages. 

 D tenants :)

We've had 20-25 evictions.  I've been a landlord 9 years.

Post: How many pages is your lease?

Stone TeranPosted
  • Investor
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 374
  • Votes 120

Mine is a little less than a page and a half.  I wrote it and tweaked it slightly over the years.  My wife is an attorney and has reviewed it.  No addendums.

PS-Mine includes some BS that I might trim and make it even shorter.  I've read the "massive scriptures" that other people use and I just don't see the need.