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All Forum Posts by: Storm S.

Storm S. has started 38 posts and replied 497 times.

Post: Dave Ramsey Is Misleading The Public

Storm S.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@George Gammon what is your opinion on real estate mutual funds. I was looking at one tonight that invests in the top 30 highest yielding reits and this fund is returning a 8.5% dividend yield

Post: What CAP rates are you seeing in your market for multifamily

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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Amber Saulsbury in my area they range from 3% to 5% depending on the deal.

Post: Wholesaling - Is It About to Change?

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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Patrice Boenzi buying and selling purchase and sales agreements more than 8 times a year is explicitly defined as brokering real estate in California laws.

Post: Opinion on Staging a Flip?

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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Sean M. We have a stager we use.

Post: Opinion on Staging a Flip?

Storm S.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Sean M. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don’t. We decide on a case by case basis. Depends on the numbers, and the property. I would say in general it’s better to stage.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Clint Harris Imo beach towns are the best places to invest.

Post: Flipping on the central coast

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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Patrick Fraire I’m doing flips up here in Santa Barbara and Goleta.

Post: Full time wholesalers

Storm S.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283

@Logan Causey then your selling a security and breaking security laws. You need to be a licensed broker dealer with the sec

Post: Listing a Wholesale Deal in the MLS

Storm S.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283
Originally posted by @Will Barnard:
Originally posted by @Storm S.:
Originally posted by @Will Barnard:
Originally posted by @Storm S.:

@Will Barnard I disagree In California if you wholesale more than six or seven properties a year you have to be licensed as a real estate agent. It’s written in the law and it’s pretty black and white about it. Also assuming your just selling the contract your selling a security and your breaking security laws and need to be a licensed broker dealer. Just because wholesaling isn’t really enforced against, doesn’t mean it’s not illegal.

What exactly do you disagree with me on? As to your message above, where in the law does it state that 6 or 7 wholesale deals in one year constitutes the requirement to hold a real estate license? Please point us to the exact verbiage of the law that specifies this as I have never heard of such a thing.

Lastly, as I have stated many times, wholesaling is a term to use to buy and quickly resale. There are many ways to do so legally, not just one way. There are many ways to do it illegally as well, none of them constitute wholesaling being fraudulent or illegal, only the manner in which one does it wrong could it be that.


Section 10130.

It is unlawful for any person to engage in the business of, act in the capacity of, advertise as, or assume to act as a real estate broker or a real estate salesperson within this state without first obtaining a real estate license from the department, or to engage in the business of, act in the capacity of, advertise as, or assume to act as a mortgage loan originator within this state without having obtained a license endorsement.

The commissioner may prefer a complaint for violation of this section before any court of competent jurisdiction, and the commissioner and his or her counsel, deputies, or assistants may assist in presenting the law or facts at the trial.

It is the duty of the district attorney of each county in this state to prosecute all violations of this section in their respective counties in which the violations occur.

10131.

A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is a person who, for a compensation or in expectation of a compensation, regardless of the form or time of payment, does or negotiates to do one or more of the following acts for another or others:

(a) Sells or offers to sell, buys or offers to buy, solicits prospective sellers or buyers of, solicits or obtains listings of, or negotiates the purchase, sale, or exchange of real property or a business opportunity.

(b) Leases or rents or offers to lease or rent, or places for rent, or solicits listings of places for rent, or solicits for prospective tenants, or negotiates the sale, purchase, or exchanges of leases on real property, or on a business opportunity, or collects rents from real property, or improvements thereon, or from business opportunities.

(c) Assists or offers to assist in filing an application for the purchase or lease of, or in locating or entering upon, lands owned by the state or federal government.

(d) Solicits borrowers or lenders for or negotiates loans or collects payments or performs services for borrowers or lenders or note owners in connection with loans secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property or on a business opportunity.

(e) Sells or offers to sell, buys or offers to buy, or exchanges or offers to exchange a real property sales contract, or a promissory note secured directly or collaterally by a lien on real property or on a business opportunity, and performs services for the holders thereof.

10131.1.

(a) A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is also a person who engages as a principal in the business of making loans or buying from, selling to, or exchanging with the public, real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property, or who makes agreements with the public for the collection of payments or for the performance of services in connection with real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property.

(b) As used in this section:

(1) “In the business” means any of the following:

(A) The acquisition for resale to the public, and not as an investment, of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year.

(B) The sale to or exchange with the public of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year. However, no transaction negotiated through a real estate licensee shall be considered in determining whether a person is a real estate broker within the meaning of this section.

(C) The making of eight or more loans in a calendar year from the person’s own funds to the public when those loans are held or resold and are secured directly or collaterally by a lien on residential real property consisting of a single dwelling unit in a condominium or cooperative or on any parcel containing only residential buildings if the total number of units on the parcel is four or less. However, no transaction negotiated through a real estate broker who meets the criteria of subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 10232 shall be considered in determining whether a person is a real estate broker within the meaning of this section.

(2) “Sale,” “resale,” and “exchange” include every disposition of any interest in a real property sales contract or promissory note secured directly or collaterally by a lien on real property, except the original issuance of a promissory note by a borrower or a real property sales contract by a vendor, either of which is to be secured directly by a lien on real property owned by the borrower or vendor.

(3) “Own funds” means either of the following:

(A) Cash, corporate capital, or warehouse credit lines at commercial banks, savings banks, savings and loan associations, industrial loan companies, or other sources that are liability items on the person’s financial statements, whether secured or unsecured.

(B) Cash, corporate capital, or warehouse credit lines at commercial banks, savings banks, savings and loan associations, industrial loan companies, or other sources that are liability items on the financial statement of an affiliate of the person, whether secured or unsecured.

(4) “Own funds” does not include funds provided by a third party to fund a loan on condition that the third party will subsequently purchase or accept an assignment of the loan.

10136.

No person engaged in the business or acting in the capacity of a real estate broker or a real estate salesperson within this state shall bring or maintain any action in the courts of this state for the collection of compensation for the performance of any of the acts mentioned in this article without alleging and proving that he or she was a duly licensed real estate broker or real estate salesperson at the time the alleged cause of action arose.

This is not legal advice, I'm not an attorney. Please don't sue me. 

Unless I missed it, nowhere in here does it explain that wholesaling 5 or 6 properties in one year constitutes the need for a RE license. Secondly, as stated, there are many ways to wholesale and not break RE agency laws in all states. If done correctly and legally, you do not need a license. That said, it is also my recommendation that people do get their sales license anyways to avoid all the pitfalls, stay on the legal side, and have all the benefits that agency offers.

10131.1.

(a) A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is also a person who engages as a principal in the business of making loans or buying from, selling to, or exchanging with the public, real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property, or who makes agreements with the public for the collection of payments or for the performance of services in connection with real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property.

(b) As used in this section:

(1) “In the business” means any of the following:

(A) The acquisition for resale to the public, and not as an investment, of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year.

(B) The sale to or exchange with the public of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year. However, no transaction negotiated through a real estate licensee shall be considered in determining whether a person is a real estate broker within the meaning of this section.

This part is what I am referencing. It defines a broker as a principle who sells 8 or more purchase and sales agreements a year. If people want to legally wholesale they need to close on the property and take on some risk and not just skim equity from the owner with no risk to them.

Post: Listing a Wholesale Deal in the MLS

Storm S.Posted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Posts 518
  • Votes 283
Originally posted by @Will Barnard:
Originally posted by @Storm S.:

@Will Barnard I disagree In California if you wholesale more than six or seven properties a year you have to be licensed as a real estate agent. It’s written in the law and it’s pretty black and white about it. Also assuming your just selling the contract your selling a security and your breaking security laws and need to be a licensed broker dealer. Just because wholesaling isn’t really enforced against, doesn’t mean it’s not illegal.

What exactly do you disagree with me on? As to your message above, where in the law does it state that 6 or 7 wholesale deals in one year constitutes the requirement to hold a real estate license? Please point us to the exact verbiage of the law that specifies this as I have never heard of such a thing.

Lastly, as I have stated many times, wholesaling is a term to use to buy and quickly resale. There are many ways to do so legally, not just one way. There are many ways to do it illegally as well, none of them constitute wholesaling being fraudulent or illegal, only the manner in which one does it wrong could it be that.


Section 10130.

It is unlawful for any person to engage in the business of, act in the capacity of, advertise as, or assume to act as a real estate broker or a real estate salesperson within this state without first obtaining a real estate license from the department, or to engage in the business of, act in the capacity of, advertise as, or assume to act as a mortgage loan originator within this state without having obtained a license endorsement.

The commissioner may prefer a complaint for violation of this section before any court of competent jurisdiction, and the commissioner and his or her counsel, deputies, or assistants may assist in presenting the law or facts at the trial.

It is the duty of the district attorney of each county in this state to prosecute all violations of this section in their respective counties in which the violations occur.

10131.

A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is a person who, for a compensation or in expectation of a compensation, regardless of the form or time of payment, does or negotiates to do one or more of the following acts for another or others:

(a) Sells or offers to sell, buys or offers to buy, solicits prospective sellers or buyers of, solicits or obtains listings of, or negotiates the purchase, sale, or exchange of real property or a business opportunity.

(b) Leases or rents or offers to lease or rent, or places for rent, or solicits listings of places for rent, or solicits for prospective tenants, or negotiates the sale, purchase, or exchanges of leases on real property, or on a business opportunity, or collects rents from real property, or improvements thereon, or from business opportunities.

(c) Assists or offers to assist in filing an application for the purchase or lease of, or in locating or entering upon, lands owned by the state or federal government.

(d) Solicits borrowers or lenders for or negotiates loans or collects payments or performs services for borrowers or lenders or note owners in connection with loans secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property or on a business opportunity.

(e) Sells or offers to sell, buys or offers to buy, or exchanges or offers to exchange a real property sales contract, or a promissory note secured directly or collaterally by a lien on real property or on a business opportunity, and performs services for the holders thereof.

10131.1.

(a) A real estate broker within the meaning of this part is also a person who engages as a principal in the business of making loans or buying from, selling to, or exchanging with the public, real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property, or who makes agreements with the public for the collection of payments or for the performance of services in connection with real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property.

(b) As used in this section:

(1) “In the business” means any of the following:

(A) The acquisition for resale to the public, and not as an investment, of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year.

(B) The sale to or exchange with the public of eight or more real property sales contracts or promissory notes secured directly or collaterally by liens on real property during a calendar year. However, no transaction negotiated through a real estate licensee shall be considered in determining whether a person is a real estate broker within the meaning of this section.

(C) The making of eight or more loans in a calendar year from the person’s own funds to the public when those loans are held or resold and are secured directly or collaterally by a lien on residential real property consisting of a single dwelling unit in a condominium or cooperative or on any parcel containing only residential buildings if the total number of units on the parcel is four or less. However, no transaction negotiated through a real estate broker who meets the criteria of subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 10232 shall be considered in determining whether a person is a real estate broker within the meaning of this section.

(2) “Sale,” “resale,” and “exchange” include every disposition of any interest in a real property sales contract or promissory note secured directly or collaterally by a lien on real property, except the original issuance of a promissory note by a borrower or a real property sales contract by a vendor, either of which is to be secured directly by a lien on real property owned by the borrower or vendor.

(3) “Own funds” means either of the following:

(A) Cash, corporate capital, or warehouse credit lines at commercial banks, savings banks, savings and loan associations, industrial loan companies, or other sources that are liability items on the person’s financial statements, whether secured or unsecured.

(B) Cash, corporate capital, or warehouse credit lines at commercial banks, savings banks, savings and loan associations, industrial loan companies, or other sources that are liability items on the financial statement of an affiliate of the person, whether secured or unsecured.

(4) “Own funds” does not include funds provided by a third party to fund a loan on condition that the third party will subsequently purchase or accept an assignment of the loan.

10136.

No person engaged in the business or acting in the capacity of a real estate broker or a real estate salesperson within this state shall bring or maintain any action in the courts of this state for the collection of compensation for the performance of any of the acts mentioned in this article without alleging and proving that he or she was a duly licensed real estate broker or real estate salesperson at the time the alleged cause of action arose.

This is not legal advice, I'm not an attorney. Please don't sue me.