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All Forum Posts by: Tom Medwin

Tom Medwin has started 14 posts and replied 46 times.

Post: Multiple BPOs???

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Can a few of you chime in on how often the bank will send out 2nd and 3rd BPOs? Is there a way to know if they will send out future BPOs? I just had a couple BPOs this week and I want to change the price in the MLS to try and solicit my end buyer. I'm hesitant however in case the bank sends another BPO and they see the higher price and it kills my deal with the bank. Any insight here would be much appreciated!!!!

Post: Strategy For Working With Realtors & Commissions

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Originally posted by Scott Hubbard:
Originally posted by Tom Medwin:

The bank is already paying $6,000 so I'm really only coughing up $3,625.


I am not picking on Tom.... But I am going to show you how his statement above is completely wrong.

First, banks deal on a net proceeds basis. They will compare your offer against a foreclosure scenario in order to see if your offer is better. In essence, your short sale offer will need to be better than what they estimate they will receive at Auction or as an REO.

Your offer - closing and carrying costs - commisions - lien payoffs - legal expenses = Net Basis

So let us say that according to the lenders analysis based on a BPO, they estimate that they will receive $115K in net proceeds as an REO.

Your offer is $120K gross. $120K - $2.4K (CC) - $6K (commissions) - $0 (no liens) - $1.6K (legal) = $110K

When comparing your $110K Net Short Sale offer to the $115K estimate Net as an REO, they will not accept your offer.

In order for you to acheive a better SS offer over the Net proceeds as an REO, you will need to raise your offer by more than $6K to $126K. By raising your offer, you are already eating into your spread thus costing YOU profit.

Lenders will not pay for commissions on the A to B, you will 100% of the time. Your job is to get the lender to accept the lowest Net Proceeds as possible. I am not telling you not to pay commissions, I am just telling you not to overpay. Paying too much does not help you, the seller, or the agent. There should be a compromise.


Hi Scott,

You may be 100% right, however it may be that some banks already have a commission rate figured into their template to begin with. To not ask for it is to waste money that could take care of these agents and keep them happy. Now someone told me that is the case but I don't know that it is true across the board or if it varies by lender. Certainly in an REO situation the bank is going to pay agent commissions also, so they would figure that into their analysis when considering the short sale vs foreclosure. At least here in PA it takes about a year until they foreclose so the risk is much greater that the property could be vandalized or burned down and their loss would be total. So a short sale with guaranteed funds now is a lot more appealing than waiting for many months and hoping they can sell for more at REO and hoping the property doesn't become more dilapidated.

Like I said, though, you could be right. My thread is geared towards those who are paying agents on both A-B and B-C transactions and letting them know that in most cases agents are happy to make ANYTHING. Haha, that's the truth I know. I talk to many agents who have done plenty of deals that never make it to settlement and they have done a lot of work for free.....myself included. Hence the reason I'm trying to work myself out of the realtor side of the business.

Post: Strategy For Working With Realtors & Commissions

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Originally posted by Dave Stevens:
Originally posted by Tom Medwin:


So here's the commission totals in an example:

$200k FMV
$120k Cash Offer and bank approval
$6,000 Commission paid by bank (5% of $120k)

$175k Resale Price (priced for quick sale)
$9,625 Commissions (5.5% of resale price)

The bank is already paying $6,000 so I'm really only coughing up $3,625. The math is $9,625 acutal commissions paid minus $6,000 bank paid commissions equals $3,625. So for a little over 3,500 bucks I'm getting the deal and utilizing the services and resources of agents and the MLS.


How does this commission split look on the HUD?



My agreement with the listing agent is to pay them 3% of the resale price....so it really doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it totals 3%, or $5,250 in my above example. So on the A-B transaction the bank has typically been paying 5%. So 5% of $120,000 equal $6,000. Now this is where it helps that I am an agent. If you are not one then you need a good agent on your team that can work with you. So on the A-B the listing agent will make his $5,250 and myself or my buyer's agent will make $750. So the listing agent's 3% comes right there from the A-B transaction. Since I'm an agent I can collect the other $750. To be honest I'm not sure how you could get that $750 if you're not an agent. Really a buyer's agent isn't really doing anything except going on the transaction as the buyer's agent, so I don't know if you can work something out with them somehow? You could just give that extra amount to the listing agent as a bonus to keep the deals coming to you OR..... figure out the numbers ahead of time so you can get a better deal from the bank by only asking for a commission that would equal the 3% of your resale price and then your listing agent is a dual agent representing you as the buyer and the seller.

So all that being said, the listing agent is taken care of and I only have to pay a buyer's agent 2.5% on the resale price of the B-C transaction which is $4,375. Again in my example since I'm the agent I've collected $750 from the A-B transaction so really I'm paying out $3,625 ($4,375 - $750). Hope that helps.

Post: Strategy For Working With Realtors & Commissions

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As a realtor I just want you guys to know that you are being a little too generous to have the realtor make their commission on the A-B transaction AND B-C transaction. Just know that most, not all, but most realtors are exceedingly happy to have you take over the short sale for them and get them to closing. Here's what I've been doing and it works great:

1) Call an agent who has a listing that is subject to short sale
2) Get the details from the agent on the short sale i.e. are there any offers? have they engaged the bank? etc.
3) Most times the answers are no to the above questions, and I tell them that my niche is working on short sales and I'm getting most of them approved very quickly and with minimal headaches and most importantly getting to closing. I then give them some tidbits to let them know how they can get a short sale done quickly and efficiently. I say that the banks are usually very cooperative once they have a COMPLETE short sale package and especially when that package contains a CASH offer. I tell the agent I know the checklist of items the bank wants to see and have investors who back me with cash to submit a cash offer. I ask if they'd be interested in letting me put the package together WITH them and let me handle all their headaches of dealing with the bank.

4) Here's the key on saving a few thousand dollars in commission per transaction. I tell the agent the nuts and bolts of the A-B and B-C transaction. I say something like IF the bank accepts an offer that is good enough for me to buy, we will sell to the C buyer and you will make your commission at the higher resale price, and I will guarantee that it is 3%. At my resale price it will be cheap enough where I can give the buyer's agent 2.5%, thereby paying a total of 5.5% commission on my resale price. Again, as an agent I'm telling you MOST agents will be thrilled to have someone handle their short sale which they don't want to do, to have a cash offer in the package to give maximum leverage when dealing with the bank, and have a secured listing that is approved and ready to go for the C buyer and have it locked up at 3% on their end.

So here's the commission totals in an example:

$200k FMV
$120k Cash Offer and bank approval
$6,000 Commission paid by bank (5% of $120k)

$175k Resale Price (priced for quick sale)
$9,625 Commissions (5.5% of resale price)

The bank is already paying $6,000 so I'm really only coughing up $3,625. The math is $9,625 acutal commissions paid minus $6,000 bank paid commissions equals $3,625. So for a little over 3,500 bucks I'm getting the deal and utilizing the services and resources of agents and the MLS.

Old-School way of getting agents on board: pay agent 5% of commission of first A-B deal which is paid by the bank. Then pay a minimum of 5% on the B-C transaction which in the above example would equal $8,750. That is how much you are subtracting from your profit. Multiply that times the number of deals you do a year. OUCH!!!!

This forum has been very helpful to me so I hope this helps some of you. As an agent let me say one last time, the way I'm doing it is working and agents are happy about it. Win-Win, that's what I'm all about.

Post: Wells Fargo Short Sale Addendum

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I just flat out asked my bank negotiator about this after seeing that on an approval I got last week:

Question from Me: "Do all of your approval letters state that the buyer cannot resell within 30 days? Am I understanding that correctly and is that a negotiable point or is there a way around that?"

A: "There is no way around that, however, I will say we have no real control of whatever the buyer does once it is his property"

FWIW

Post: GinnyMae Loan???

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Originally posted by James Ward:
Do not just focus on a % of the BPO. If you feel that your offers are justified, send in info to support them. Chase and most every other Lender will take into consideration information that is presented to them. So, if you let Chase know why the offers are justifed, you will be suprised at how they will be willing to work with the numbers.

Hope this helps.


Yes, that does help. Thanks James. I've been doing a ton of research over the last couple weeks and found myself getting bogged down with details. Just gonna get back to getting deals done instead of trying to plan ahead for every obstacle that might pop up. I'll just cross those bridges when they come.

Post: GinnyMae Loan???

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Originally posted by Tom Medwin:
Has anyone had any experience doing a short sale on a GinnyMae loan? Specifically I'm working with Chase on this one and would like to know if there is a certain percentage of the BPO that they will accept i.e. 88% or something like that. This would be very helpful to know for a deal I have going. Thanks!!!!


Answered my own question after a lot of googling:

http://www.ginniemae.gov/issuers/FAQ's_loan_modifications.pdf

The answer is they will go with FHA, VA, or USDA guidelines, depending on the actual loan you are working on. FWIW

Post: Short Sale Negotiation Videos

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Originally posted by motiv8td:
first one is up guys/gals. The others are being uploaded. When completely done, I'll start a new thread/blog and post all three videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lqOPD70-QE


Dude, great job. Good idea to record this. I'm considering doing this with an actual listing agent who has a listing subject to short sale and getting the deal. I"m an agent so it's a little easier because most of us know eachother by name so I get instant credibility. So far I'm 4 for 4 on calling these agents and getting with them and their clients to sign the short sale package and get rolling. Just a thought for other agent/investors out there or investors that can teach their agent to do this.

Post: GinnyMae Loan???

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Has anyone had any experience doing a short sale on a GinnyMae loan? Specifically I'm working with Chase on this one and would like to know if there is a certain percentage of the BPO that they will accept i.e. 88% or something like that. This would be very helpful to know for a deal I have going. Thanks!!!!

Post: Can do the deal with FHA End Buyer BUT....

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Originally posted by Art Jackson:
On your A to B transaction add a 6 % seller assist. This will allow you to make 26% as opposed to 20%. Second, On an FHA "C" buyer you can make more than 20%, however anything over 20 opens up additonal steps that the lender is required to do in order fo the transaction to occur. If you can wait longer than 90 days of ownership, you eliminate this 20% all together. I hope this helps.

Yeah, good call Art. I did that on another deal of mine, but wanted to experiment with this one and see if I could get a lower offer accepted without the 6% seller help. I'm trying to see which method works better, although each deal is different so I don't know that one way of doing it will always be better than the other. I guess that's why this is an art not a science.