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All Forum Posts by: Sunny D.

Sunny D. has started 22 posts and replied 237 times.

Post: Cleveland OH investing?

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

Hello

I am looking at a property (9% cap rate) very close to the Cleveland zoo. I will share more details once we are in contract.

I am working with @Federico Gutierrez on this.

Any feedback on area/potential and  things to pay attention to

Cheers

Post: Turn Key Investments

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115
Kelton,
Claytons numbers showed Total profit. $10,800 - $10,319.64 + $3,458.45 = $3,938.81
and not 480 per year.

how did you get to 40 cash PM
Cheers

Originally posted by @Kelton Johnson:

@Clayton Mobley 

I appreciate you taking the time to write out a thoughtful response to my earlier comment.  I now better understand that nothing is done in a 'deceptive' manner, but just as an industry standard. 

Nonetheless, I just feel personally that turn key investments aren't right for me due to the small returns. I know in your example you show that with 'high' estimated expenses the returns are still up near 20%. However, the actual cash flow is only $480 a year...that's $40 a month. I could easily make that going out to eat 2 times less a month. I understand the equity portion is important, and I certainly take it into account for any total ROI I'm looking at. But at the end of the day, cashflow is king, because otherwise you will never see a tangible return on your investment until you sell (and lose the investment) or refi...both of which require large sums of money going towards fees. 

My point is, when I put $20k into an investment, I want to see money hitting my account each month, passive income.  Unfortunately, turn key products don't seem as good for that normally, compared to local deals in my area at least.  Once again, they certainly could be good for others, especially those looking for passive wealth building, but I want a little more and I'm sure I'm not the only one. 

@Sunny D.

You make some great points, I appreciate the feedback.  

Post: Turn Key Investments

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

@Clayton Mobley

Question on the purchase price and home. 93K is high for a home that rents at 900PM in Bham. Is this in a B+ or a A- area in Bham than standard B neighborhoods. What will the retail price be for a comparable home in mls. Do we see more homes selling for 90K range in that neighborhood?

Post: Turn Key Investments

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

I recently bought a home via hybrid turnkey in Birmingham and have been doing a bit of research on various markets for a while now. 

I offer the following humble perspective at this time (I am not a pro)

1. The most important thing to evaluate (cash flow is not even a factor for this decision) is what would the retail price be if you were to put the home on mls to sell it. Go crazy tracking recently sold homes, how long current homes are in market and the trends (are folks dropping price to be able to sell the home). Ultimately the primary decision factor should be keyed around your ability to exit the investment more than how good of a deal it is to get in. If you are paying retail price to buy with zero equity and you have acquired a illiquid asset in your portfolio be prepared for a decent sized loss.

2. Area you are buying - demographics, family income levels and rent to family income ratios, crime levels, school ratings. Over a 10 year period, I would guess a B area would have better returns than a C/D area unless you are counting on C areas gentrifying or getting better with large investments and younger population moving in. I know many folks make great money on C/D areas but leave it to the pros, for turnkey you are looking for a piece of mind for out of state investments and decent returns. Another factor to look at is the ratio of owner to rental homes. If you see a area where investors need to sell to another investor to exit, remember that you are counting on another newbie investor to bail you out as the pro investor wont get in until he gets it at the right price. 

3. Most people who are looking to sell you something have a incentive to market the product as the best investment opportunity for you. Ultimately it is your hard earned money. Look at the flyers claiming out sized investment returns with a grain of salt. Often they over state the annual appreciation rates to factor in for projected equity and under state the maintenance and vacancy related costs and the one off large capex items you will eventually get. Do your own #s, be conservative, assume 50% of your rent over the long run will be gone. 

4. The only reason I am going buy and hold out of state is that I can buy a lot more properties with a fixed set of cash. I have a decent sized crowd investing portfolio of 175K and been getting an avg cash on cash returns of 13%. The incentive with going on my own is the potential to leverage the investment through debt and decrease the reinvestment risk. Eventually the crowd funding investment returns will flatten as the opportunities for out sized returns in flips with fast moving markets starts to taper down. 

5. The next most important thing is the research on rental market. How long houses are taking to rent. What is the rental trend. If someone is saying you will get 850$ pm but you are seeing a lot more postings for similar homes at 750$, dont expect to get higher rent. A reliable PM who cares about your home and value of your investment is mandatory before you jump in.

6. View on expected capex - big ticket items like roof, hvac that will kill all of your positive cashflow. All you need is one big item every 2 years to zero out all your positive cash.

Nevertheless, real estate is great- you have tax benefits, opportunity for someone to help pay your mortgage and lets you use debt to your benefit. Diversify where you buy and eventually you will have more winners than losers.

Cheers

Thanks Chad

I decided to pass on the TH for other reasons as well but good advice. The TH I was checking was a duplex converted to a condo , hence there is no HOA. Its not clear what would happen say if roof needs repair , would the other owner have to agree etc.

Thanks, Chad for the sound advice.

what areas do you invest in? I got my first rental recently in Centerpoint and looking at other areas where the % of renters/investor homes is lesser. 

Would your advice change lets say if the SFH can not be got at <80K. Irondale doesnt seem to have many deals for SFH.

Would find more about the HOA rules etc. before I plunge into one.

Hello

Wanted to get some thoughts on the two scenarios  in a solid B area zip code 35210

Scenario 1:  TH @ 55K purchase price renting at 825 PM

Scenario 2: SFH @70K purchase price renting at 925 PM

Any reasons why going ahead with Scenario 1 is not recommended if I am looking to buy and hold for 5-10 years

Thanks

Post: Advice - town home vs. SFH Alabama

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

BTW, Irondale is a suburb of Birmingham.

Post: Advice - town home vs. SFH Alabama

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

Hello BP-ers

Wanted some second opinion.

Any issue with going for town homes in solid B neighborhoods like Irondale if it cashflows better than SFH due to the lower acquisition cost.

Post: Kansas City - investor friendly real estate agents

Sunny D.Posted
  • Pleasanton, CA
  • Posts 246
  • Votes 115

Hello

Please PM me or reply with any recommendations.

Thanks