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All Forum Posts by: Corey G.

Corey G. has started 28 posts and replied 99 times.

The girl from before left everything in the apartment and her utilities were left on. In this situation? 

So I posted the other day asking about a tenant that broke his lease and was wondering what to do but it reminded me of an issue I had previously where a tenant just vanished on me. I'm not sure I handled it how it should have been handled but I eventually took back the apartment and stored her a stuff for a while until I was pretty sure she wasn't coming back. Technically this girl was still on a lease and if she showed back up after I had changed the locks I figure I might have been in trouble. If you are unsure if a tenant has moved out because there is complete silence on their end, you don't see their vehicle at the property anymore, and they haven't paid rent, what do you do? In Arizona you have to give a 5 day notice for them to pay or you can file eviction paperwork. If you are unsure if they are gone, do you evict them anyways to be safe? 

Quote from @Henry T.:

I use leaseRrunner, I tell the prospective tenant to set it up and pull the report, then sends me an email where I can log in to look at it online and print it out. Full credit report, everything. I like it. I don't use them for anything else except credit report. Social ssn should be on your application before anything happens.

Does that site show the full social or is it the last 4? Apartments.com seems to only display the last 4. 

Quote from @Wesley W.:

You need SSN and birthdate in order to try and collect a debt, if need be.

I collect that information directly on my application.  I've always found the background check services do not do a thorough job so I always overlay that service with my own gumshoe due diligence  (talking directly to immediate supervisors, ensuring the previous "landlord" owns the property, checking social media, etc.).

Never rely exclusively on these services.  They do not have any skin in the game and are just automating the process of searching various databases.  No one will care more about your tenant placement than you.

Most of them apply directly online and the applications has a screening tied in. The tenant pays it directly. I don't even use a physical application anymore and the screening company I used previously required that I pay and then I collected a fee from the tenant. This makes it a lot easier. I collect a birthdate when I get a copy of the ID. I'm thinking it may just be easier to get the social from the tenant directly. 

Quote from @James McGovern:

@Corey G. Not needed to file court cases. Needed only to report negative information to credit bureau. Best to use a rent collection service that keeps the SSN on file.

Do you have any that you would suggest because I don't currently use one and wouldn't know which companies keep that on file? 

Quote from @James McGovern:

Many services whether turbotenant or doorloop obfuscate SSN. 

So do you collect it separately? 

I used to use another service for tenant screening but recently started listing my apartments on apartment.com. Well the SSN and birthdate are partially obfuscated when looking over the applications. Do you suggest not using services like this or gathering that information on your own? I'm realizing that I need a SSN to collect on the debts/judgements. 

Quote from @Sean McKee:
Quote from @Corey G.:
Quote from @Sean McKee:
Quote from @Corey G.:

Tenant informed me he wanted to move out about 6 months into his second year (about 30 days ago). He thought he went month to month after the first year but never informed me of it (which is required in writing) and I have the lease set to renew for another 12 months automatically written into the lease. Well I'm pretty sure he just moved out anyways without paying the buy out fee (2 months rent pretty much). I haven't had these terms written into my lease very long and the tenant that broke the lease previously went ahead and paid it. What is the suggested process for this? I'm very familiar with serving notice for things like late fees/evictions but never have tried to collect on this. Technically he's late on the June rent now as well. Should I serve a late notice and then eviction and add the fees up at the eviction hearing or is thttps://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/1245957-tenan...here a different/better way to do this? 

 Sorry to hear this. If they moved out it's no longer an eviction. As long as your lease is iron clad and you have reviewed your local laws, you might have a case to go after the rent/fees owed. 

You could send him to a collection agency for the amount owed after you deduct the security deposit. This would allow you to credit report it. Some charge fees to do this. I've done it once, but for a few thousand dollars. Did not get the money back, but the tenant did get a negative mark on their credit.

Front Lobby, is a credit reporting site. It's relatively affordable, but you can only report late rent and late fees(fines and other damages you need a judgement) .They also have to be 30 days past due. So if you rent it within 30 days and keep the security deposit you probably won't be able to report him. If it takes you a few months, then you probably could depending on how your lease is worded. Make sure you double check with any credit reporting agency, to stay on the right side of the law. I always error on the side of caution. Credit reporting is good way to keep some people in line with the terms.

This happens all the time, especially in lower end markets. There's not much you can do besides credit report or collection agencies. Small claims court is not worth it unless it's more than 10k or you are absolutely sure they would pay up if you got a judgement. I've gone the small claims court way a couple times, it's not easy and it's not cheap.

I know your pissed, but this is part of the game.... 

I'm not super pissed or anything, it's mostly just that I'm strict with rules and I expect them to be followed so I like to hold people accountable to that. If you are saying that fees require a judgement, then how would you go about getting a judgement in the case that someone had already moved out or are other companies more lenient with their requirements? 

 The judgment is much harder. I’m going after a contractor for 3k he ran off with. This is mostly to prove a point. I have a lawyer and we are working on “trying” to serve him. We don’t exactly know where he lives. So we did a skip trace and might have located him. If we managed to Serve him, then we can go to court and get a judgement. However , he still probably won’t pay, but at least it hits his record. You would have to follow a similar process: start a small claims case with your local court, work on finding and serving the individual, and then get a judgement.

You can go after him in court, but it’s likely not going to be worth it. It’s a major pain. 

I would suggest the credit reporting/collection agency route. It would be cheaper. You just need the tenants DOB and their last known address. Collection Agency would likely allow you to report the damages from him breaking the lease, just not the credit reporting agency


Oh I see. I figured an eviction might still work because I haven't received any communication from the tenant, he's just late on the rent and I saw him leave on my security camera and he hasn't been back in a few days... it just happens to coincide with when he wanted to break the lease and I told him that he never sent me official notice. I know an eviction will get me a judgement... at least for the overdue rent and if during the court date we find that he's vacated, then wouldn't the judge use the terms of the lease to access fees? 

Quote from @Sean McKee:
Quote from @Corey G.:

Tenant informed me he wanted to move out about 6 months into his second year (about 30 days ago). He thought he went month to month after the first year but never informed me of it (which is required in writing) and I have the lease set to renew for another 12 months automatically written into the lease. Well I'm pretty sure he just moved out anyways without paying the buy out fee (2 months rent pretty much). I haven't had these terms written into my lease very long and the tenant that broke the lease previously went ahead and paid it. What is the suggested process for this? I'm very familiar with serving notice for things like late fees/evictions but never have tried to collect on this. Technically he's late on the June rent now as well. Should I serve a late notice and then eviction and add the fees up at the eviction hearing or is thttps://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/1245957-tenan...here a different/better way to do this? 

 Sorry to hear this. If they moved out it's no longer an eviction. As long as your lease is iron clad and you have reviewed your local laws, you might have a case to go after the rent/fees owed. 

You could send him to a collection agency for the amount owed after you deduct the security deposit. This would allow you to credit report it. Some charge fees to do this. I've done it once, but for a few thousand dollars. Did not get the money back, but the tenant did get a negative mark on their credit.

Front Lobby, is a credit reporting site. It's relatively affordable, but you can only report late rent and late fees(fines and other damages you need a judgement) .They also have to be 30 days past due. So if you rent it within 30 days and keep the security deposit you probably won't be able to report him. If it takes you a few months, then you probably could depending on how your lease is worded. Make sure you double check with any credit reporting agency, to stay on the right side of the law. I always error on the side of caution. Credit reporting is good way to keep some people in line with the terms.

This happens all the time, especially in lower end markets. There's not much you can do besides credit report or collection agencies. Small claims court is not worth it unless it's more than 10k or you are absolutely sure they would pay up if you got a judgement. I've gone the small claims court way a couple times, it's not easy and it's not cheap.

I know your pissed, but this is part of the game.... 

I'm not super pissed or anything, it's mostly just that I'm strict with rules and I expect them to be followed so I like to hold people accountable to that. If you are saying that fees require a judgement, then how would you go about getting a judgement in the case that someone had already moved out or are other companies more lenient with their requirements? 

Okay fair enough on the renewal paperwork. If this was during his first year, how would you go about it because I'm still unsure of the steps. Since he's already moved out what would be the process? Small Claims? 

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