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All Forum Posts by: Troy Whitney

Troy Whitney has started 7 posts and replied 107 times.

Post: alternative funding sources?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

Larry, sounds great.  Look forward to hearing more.  Thanks.

Post: alternative funding sources?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

So, I'm looking for information/suggestions on getting started raising private capital to buy more properties in Philly.  I have a credit score right around 800, own 3 properties outright in Philly, have significant equity in two other houses in the Seattle area and a have a commercial property as well in Yakima, WA (great little investment that's been doing nothing but make money for almost 8 years).    My issue with traditional lenders is that I had some stock market losses last year and the lender I was working with didn't like my K-1, which is understandable but frustrating that anything I want to do ties up so much cash.  It's also insane to me that these guys won't let me borrow against properties that I currently have 100% equity in with my current guaranteed income and credit score.  Other than a couple of pieces of real estate and credit cards I pay off each month, I have zero debt. Hard money is a nonstarter for obvious reasons.   So yeah - I would love to buy more properties in Philly - I think it's a gold mine (I can't even believe the deals I'm finding there).  If anyone has ideas, knows people that want to invest in Philly, etc., please let me know.  Thanks.

Post: What Makes a "Sub$30k" House?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

I just bought a well-cared for rowhouse in South Philly for $44k a few months ago. It only needed $500 in repairs that the seller paid for, nothing else.  Found a good tenant who is keeping the place very clean.  I know this because I'm borrowing against it and the appraiser went inside with my manager and took pictures.  It rents for $795, and I could have gotten $850 according to my prop manager but I wanted to rent it fast, though we did our due diligence with tenants.  Tenant also covers all expenses.    After taxes, insurance and inevitable repairs - I figure it will net $500/month, though without repairs it's closer to $600 right now.  Appraisal came back at $65k, which allows me to borrow against this property and try and find another one just like it, since they're giving me back full price.  I feel like I got a good deal and this should be a money maker over time, especially considering the rising values in South Philly in the last 10 years or so.   I'm an out of town landlord but have a great property manager and we're being very picky when it comes to tenants, and rental demand in  Philly appears to be very strong.  I guess I would have been better off buying  a similar house here in Seattle for four times the price and half the rent?  Is that the formula that's supposed to work?  That it's better to buy high because that means you'll have fewer problems?   I understand the difficulties of trying to be an out of town landlord but honestly with the prices in Seattle - I see very, very little room for profit even with lending costs so low.  

Post: Good Deal? Leverage? Please advise

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

Jacob has some creative ideas, but I'd be amazed if the interest only thing would work out with $140k due on a loan - and don't banks usually call back the loan if you sell the property - if not they'd be losing money every month no?   

Post: Good Deal? Leverage? Please advise

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

I'm going to agree with Ned. I'm sorry but I don't have time to address the other questions and they honestly don't matter.  I wouldn't touch this deal.   It just doesn't seem like a great investment to me.  $1100/mo. and say you pick it up for $150k - just isn't worth it.  If you can't find better cash flow where you live then look elsewhere like I did.    Just my two cents.

Post: Reaching out to tenant when PM is in place?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @John Matthews:

@Troy Whitney 

Can you PM me your property management company? I've been looking for one in the area for the past few weeks....thanks!

John - you bet.  Just sent you the info. 

Post: Reaching out to tenant when PM is in place?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

Your property.  Call the tenant, and get a new PM.  I have a great one in Philly with a go-to guy that I call all the time.  You need the same thing.

Post: How can I get over my fear of out-of-state investing?

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44

I would just say find a good market for what you want to do, and a good broker in that market.  If you satisfy both of those criteria, the deals will come along.  If he's a good broker he'll have them and he'll be honest in dealing with you.  Get references from people he/she has worked with, and get referrals from the broker on carpenters, etc. that he/she has worked with in the past.    I like Philly a lot like Nancy mentioned above. I'm in the middle of my 3rd deal there now and I live in Seattle.

Post: Lifestyles Unlimited…your opinions...???

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

'Hearing a fair amount here about people spending 10k on guru classes. I really feel you would be much better off applying it toward a down payment on a single family or a duplex.'

I agree. You can get a lot of help in this forum to help you invest wisely.

 Absolutely Joe, as well as from a good investment-minded broker and/or property manager

Post: Lifestyles Unlimited…your opinions...???

Troy WhitneyPosted
  • Contractor
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 137
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Thomas Williamson:

Here's my take. I'm a current LU member (PIG) member, but I live in Atlanta. I flew out to San Antonio last year (November) to attend the two day class David Fisher gave. During the class we were told if you have under 50,000 then you need to stay with SF investments. If you had 50,000 to 100,000 to invest then you needed go multi-family. I fully intended on buying an apartment complex in central Texas, and still will at some point. I travel to that area at least once a year and love it. At the end of the two day class I signed up for the PIG membership which was 10,000. I strongly regret doing that now. The reasons are after I joined and inquired about multi-family, I was told that 100,000 wasn't enough to get into a decent size complex, and there's no way to manage a smaller one from a distance. I know that was not correct info that I received from the "mentor." I could really use that 10,000 now to put into other deals.

Then there was the Atlanta debacle. I feel for the people in Atlanta that went to the free classes and signed up for memberships based on the fact that they were told repeatedly, "We are coming to Atlanta, it's a done deal, our office will be opening in November of 2013 or December of 2013 at the latest, but we are coming for sure." Then suddenly without warning and e-mail was sent out last week stating things have changed, we're now not coming to Atlanta. Just the day before that e-mail, I sent a message to one of the "mentors" and asked what the status of the Atlanta office was, since they had stopped mentioning it on the radio show. I was told, "Del is coming in February for his class." That person knew full well at that point that the office wasn't going to open, but chose not to say anything.

I just thought the way all of that was handled was very poor and unprofessional. I still intend on working with them at some point to purchase a multi-family in Texas, because I know others who have done that very thing and they seemed to be satisfied with them, and the service they offer when it comes to buying a large multi-family project. But, they live in Texas near their properties as well. For 10,000 you don't get much. I expected a phone call at least at some point to ask what the goals were, how to get there, what help can we provide, etc. etc. But to my surprise, there hasn't been any of that. Once you pay any amount of money, that's it, it's all on you to take action, which is fine I can do that. But don't have any illusions that they're going to bend over backwards to help. An e-mail went out a few days ago from them congratulating a couple on their first multi-family purchase. I sent a response back and asked if the details would be published, or was it simply going to be a case study at a Texas office. I was told it would be a case study later in Texas. That kinda fly's in the face of saying you're a National or International group.

As I've said before, if you live in Texas and close to one of their offices, it may be a good deal at the basic level. But there's a lot of pressure to buy from their realtors, and keep everything in house. If you live outside of Texas, don't spend the money. Everything you need can be found right here on BP. The thing I like about BP versus a lot of other "guru groups" is that members here love sharing their deals and numbers from start to finish with everyone, the good the bad and the ugly. I'm determined that my 10,000 won't be wasted, so in time I will have a large MF in central Texas, it's just a matter or reassessing what I thought would happen, versus what I have to make happen.

Hope this helps.

Hearing a fair amount here about people spending 10k on guru classes. I really feel you would be much better off applying it toward a down payment on a single family or a duplex. Finding a good property manager can help you get into a non local market. Seems like so many people want to get into a crowded apartment market when returns can be higher on the single families and barriers to entry are much smaller. After you get some smaller properties under your belt and build up your confidence and asset base, then work your way into a larger property. Doesn't have to be complicated - learn as you do. And yes there are lenders that work on smaller properties (<$50k deals). I found one on here. Contact me if you want more info.