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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 8 posts and replied 159 times.

Post: Are Realtors Worth The Commission Anymore?

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  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
  • Votes 62

Hey, there. I believe lawyers have a skill learned through the trade of law, but in essence they push paper around, just like any office worker. I am not saying a lawyer is not skilled but they have no real intellectual skill that I could not gain for myself. In the same way a VP of a S&P 500 company - they are all well qualified paper pushers. Experience is the only X factor but lawyers are a dime a dozen. I have lawyers applying to work for me to be a receptionist (yes, I advertised on craigslist for $11/hr and I got a resume from a recent law school grad - isn't that sad?). Furthermore, I ask my lawyer to do stuff I don't want to do - like call serious people on my behalf (people I am doing deals with). I could do my own closing and save $500, but I don't because I have my dayjob. I could ask my lawyer to draft a new LLC operation document but I could just take my old one revise it - but I don't because he might have someone worthwhile to tell me, which will in turn cost another $500. My lawyer is actually a Illinois States Attourney (not THE States Attourney but one of the many hundreds of prosecutors on staff). His father is a successful but retired real estate lawyer and has helped me find investors, but has really never really given me legal help which was of any real use. Also, I have a limited legal background as I finished 1st year law school before I left to work at a hedge fund where I still work at today. While I acknowledge that law school actually doesn't teach you anything other than how to read really thick books and memorize things under such threat of death by professorial edict.

Also regarding lawyers, my dayjob firm has so many lawyers working for them and they are all pretty dumb. Unable to work for themselves, seeking the safety of an advanced degree, they have dropped 200K on an U of Chicago law school education and the best they can do is to work for a fund where the people making all the money are 20 and 30 year old traders. These lawyers are just paper pushers. In our investment banking division they are treated like dogs, basically drafting document after document, running numbers on deal viability and putting together merger or mundane legal documents. Yeah they get paid 20k a month for the firm to get make 20 million. Sounds like a gooddeal to me. It takes real brains and creativity to put a deal together. These kinds of deals are built by visionaries not by paper pushers.

I have my own real estate brokers license and broker my own deals. The reason I did this is because I had to deal with many incompetent agents that had scheduling conflicts or wouldn't return phone calls, or would take me to see properties that I specifically asked not to see. I got my brokers license because I want to have free reign on my business, not to be dependent on anytime.

If I knew how to build a house, I wouldn't hire a GC, but instead start my own GC firm. Next year maybe...

I run 3 businesses, and have a day job in finance. I do not believe that for my line of real estate business, any realtor can help me any more than I can help myself. I have had realtors find me deals but it has been rare, since most realtors only know how to find properties on the MLS. Thats why I got my license so that I can cut them out. I value when a Realtor brings me a deal NOT on the MLS but I'll tell you that around here, there are few of those. most Realtors here cater to retail clients. I like sell-side realtors because I buy from them, but buy-side realtors are a waste of my time (unless I'm trying to sell their client something, but I like to let my product speak for itself).

Also, as I may or may not have mentioned I truly dislike "Realtors" compared also to "real estate agents/brokers." The difference is Realtors are part of the national conglomerate to control housing sales and to create a cartel for their members.

The National Assn. of Realtors is essentially a lobbying organization, fighting for things like the 1st time home buyers which is a big stimulating waste. I am a member because I had to join the MLS. But if it weren't for the MLS I wouldn't be a realtor.

Post: Are Realtors Worth The Commission Anymore?

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  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
  • Votes 62

Just want to clarify that I see lawyers in the same light as Realtors - secretaries. Just doing the stuff you don't want to do. Lawyers for some reason get paid so much per hour when honestly they are just glorified secretaries and book keepers.

Post: Who do you bank with and why?

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  • Chicago, IL
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I use a local community bank that gave me my first real estate loan after everyone else rejected me. When Bank of America and Chase all the other big box banks were offering me personal HELOCs to finance real estate deals, in which I would be forced to refinance my condo, my community bank gave me a commercial loan for my business and sent me on my merry way. They believed in me and made me what I am today (with their $$). Now I am a loyal customer, I will keep my deposits there, and ask them for loans (for which they are happy to oblige because they are getting paid by commission and of course because I have a good record).

Post: Are Realtors Worth The Commission Anymore?

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  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
  • Votes 62

I see Realtors as real estate secretaries - they do the stuff that you don't want to do. In essence, anything a realtor does can be done by you, EXCEPT they have access to the MLS. This is a cartel created by the Realtors assn to take peoples money and support them!

I am a real estate broker in Illinois. I got my license because I just couldn't take not having full control over my MLS access. I don't like that I have to email my realtor to change my parameters, or that they show special info for agents that doesn't show up on listings for clients. Plus I make money on deals effectively cutting out losses on commissions, and making commissions on sales (my own purchases).

The worst thing is you do not get access to the MLS by being a licensed real estate broker. You must also pay over $1200 to become a member of your local Realtors assn (for me its theChicago Assn. of Reatlors) and then finally get access, not to mention pay for each staff. And they try to sneak you into paying money into their political action committee!!!

Well the Realtors people have created a market and kudos to them. However, like I said, the only true value of a Realtor is the MLS access.

Post: Market Condition for Rehabbers!

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  • Chicago, IL
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There are lots of cheap properties to rehab. Use this bigger pockets article about you Maximum Purchase Price.

http://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2010/03/10/determining-maximum-purchase-price-mpp/

Post: Do you set goals or listen to motivationals regularly?

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  • Chicago, IL
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Visualizing motivates me:

I only sleep about 4 or 5 hours a night, though every night before I go to sleep , I visualize myself doing something I really want to do or achieve. It really works. I am a bit of a dreamer and have always sought to achieve things I was not supposed to be able to do. Part of this was me lying in bed thinking what I want to be doing. In college, for an entire year, I visualized myself receiving a specific competitive scholarship award and everyone at the conference cheering for me as I accepted my check. It took me 2 years but I finally won it.

I used to do a specific visualization that I would be thinking about myself pretending that I was taking prospective buyers and their real estate agent through my fully rehabbed, for sale property, and them saying that they love it and want to deliver a contract that day. That one came true as well over and over again.

I am visualizing bigger things now. Lots of things going on right now including a new day job - lots of new things to want an visualize.

A lot of times I also visualize smaller specific things like how I would like this rehab I am just starting to look... I like visualizing end buyers saying "wow!"... theres nothing like the feeling of someone really thinking your rehab is a "wow house"... or a recent visualization is seeing a for sale sign on the front lawn before the deep Chicago snow reappears for the next 2/3rds of the year....

Post: Market Condition for Rehabbers!

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  • Chicago, IL
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Jason, I see that you are in Chicago so perhaps I can offer you more specific info particularly about our market. What we have in Chicago (and a lot of places around the country) is a case of huge ranges of home prices even within the same area. This presents an excellent opportunity for arbitrage that does not exist in other times. The type of appreciation that occurred during the boom times was exactly that - appreciation. Today, to raise value in a property you must deliver an excellent product at a low price.

To answer your questions:
1. Yes, in 2009, I did 6 total. So far in 2010, I have fully closed on 4 projects and have 4 more under construction.

2. The most important thing you must ensure in this market is to make your initial purchase cheap enough. This way, you are able to make improvements and still make profit after your final sale. A good way to think about it is that it may cost 100,000 or more to do a really excellent rehab (plus holding costs, financing, etc) on a really dilapidated house, but it could raise the value of the house by 150,000. The difference is your profit. The cheaper you buy it, then the more flexibility you have in delivering a profitable and sellable product. Also, if you buy cheap enough, then you can sell for cheaper than the competition and still earn your profit goal.

3. I would say your house is over priced. Moving forward, I would try to sell the house just to break even, or rent it out until the outlook has changed.

Jason as you can see from my answers my business model requires me to buy as cheap as possible. In Chicago, you can look on the South and West sides for cheap properties, starting as low as 5,000 in some places. The price of the house does not represent the actual condition of the house, and is priced based on the underwriters estimation of the product, partially based on factors such as original debt amount owed, etc. A huge aspect of the price is the neighborhood. REO homes in "bad" neighborhoods are heavily discounted. The money comes in the difference between the REO home that is purchased and the retail price of a final product (what some on this forum called ARV). Right now single family homes on the South and West side sell for as low as 5,000, and pretty poor shape REOs average about 20-30,000. ARV in a lot of these areas are between 80-120,000. The truth is, if houses are selling for about 110,000 on your block, you're probably going to want to be happy selling it for 90,000, as long as you make profit that is amenable to you - that is worth your time and effort.

As you know people are getting shot every weekend in the South and West sides, though that why properties are so cheap. In essence, the cheapness of some of these properties is in risk premium. However, although those places can have high crime, the people that live there still need housing, and most are law abiding citizens that just want to have a piece of property they can call their own and take care of, and live a decent life. There are many buyers out there even in the "hood." Other factors include the sheer amount of REOs.

This year, I have been doing more South side - around places like Roseland, Chatham, South Shore... an example of a deal I did recently was an 18,000 purchase price, with a 15,000 renovation, and the final sale price of 80,000 over 4 months. The next cheapest non-REO house on the block was listed at 95,000. The buyer was an investor that has subsequently been a return buyer.

On the West Side I prefer Austin to Humboldt Park, though I recently did a more expensive but highly profitable flip in Irving Park. My brother completed a job in March in Albany Park and it was under contract in 2 weeks.

There are a lot of areas that are nicer than the West and South sides that flipping activity still occurs in, but are at a higher price point. In this case, you are looking at places like Albany Park or Portage Park, or in the suburbs like Evanston and Oak Park (say purchase price of 100-200,000 with ARV of 300,000-400,000). I haven't ventured far past those suburbs (yet). To a lesser extent, these flips are occuring in Chicago neighborhoods like Irving Park. You can use the MLS to find historical data on sales and keep track of flipping activity.

I am not afraid to tell you this because actually the market here in Chicago is very competitive. Even in the really terrible REOs in the really horrid neighborhoods, the people coming in and out of these buildings are frequent. Especially on the MLS. There are thousands of deals out there on the MLS. What I like to do is just search for SFHs in a neighborhood and sort by cheapest. The gems are picked up quickly - they are usually under contract after a few days. However, I like to look at the ones that have been on the market for over 90 days - it usually denotes greater leverage for your negotiation of the sale price. And like I said, its all about getting it as cheap as possible.

Also don't be afraid of getting shot. Just don't drive there in a BMW. Say hi to the neighbors if they're out - ask them about the neighborhood. I always like to ask if there have been a lot of people coming to see the place - invariably the answer is always yes. Smile be friendly. Don't wear your Longines watch. Don't bring an iPad.

Elisha, your question regarding 90 days... well often times it depends from market to market. Here where I am, it might take 90 days just to get a building permit.

Post: What is Ruby on Rails?

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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
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Cool! Interesting!

Post: Flooring choices for rental rehab

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  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
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Originally posted by Brian Levredge:
Originally posted by Jerod Sausville:
Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

Vic, the bamboo you have used has held up well? I was reading some comments on BP here where some people felt it was not durable. This doesn't quite make sense to me since, as you pointed out, bamboo is a very tough product, plus the hardness and wear resistance of the surface is mostly dependent upon the finish. Something with an aluminum oxide finish should hold up well I would think. One benefit of solid hardwood over bamboo though is I don't believe you can sand and refinish bamboo if it gets too bad.



I would stay away from bamboo for several reasons. Using bamboo as a support element and as a flooring are two completely unrelated applications. Bamboo frays. Since it comes pre finished there is not much you can do about this. Secondly, not all pre finished floors are created equally. The lower the cost, the worse quality you're likely going to get. To get the good stuff, you'll have to spend more and if you are spending more, you can get other woods that look better and last longer, like Ipe.


Thanks! This message thread was a long time ago, and I just wanted to note that in the few months since bamboo has held up well. I will post back in a few years and let you know how it fares. -CHeers!

Post: Newbie from the middle of a cornfield in IL

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  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 178
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Hi Big Bubba - Greetings from the same state. Unfortunately it sometimes seems like Chicago, and everywhere else in IL are two different worlds. To be honest, I have very little knowledge of real estate outside the Chicagoland area, but it would be very interesting to learn! I have a huge interest in agriculture (spent time in finance) and have always dreamed of having a far and being self sustaining. However, thus far I was born in a huge city in China but now reside in a smaller but still huge city (Chicago). I am a city slicker - I love the country and the small town life but have never really experienced it in a prolong setting. Sometimes I think about whether it would have been cool to goto a college town for school instead of an urban uni.

For us Illinoisians, I saw something today that says 70% of all foreclosures are in 10 states, and Illinois is one of them. I have seen lots of people do really well in Texas and Florida, etc, but I have always wondered what do people do with their lives when they move somewhere for a job. The truth is, in Illinois I think there is lots of opportunity. I don't know specifically of whats going on where you are at, but in Chicagoland there are tons and tons of foreclosures. I am willing to bet that most by a large amount are around the Chi. Nevertheless this economy we are in is a national problem, and if everyone is moving away to pursue deals in Texas that leaves more for us here in the Illinois. *wink* Nice to chat with you.