All Forum Posts by: Account Closed
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Post: tenant fixed an issue. what would you do?
- Jericho, NY
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Originally posted by @Tom Pritchett:
If you have a tenant that is willing to work on your home while they live there, and do a good job, doesn't that take some pressure off of you? I would certainly pay for the part and a little bonus for their willingness to take care of your asset. Maybe half the cost of what a plumber would have cost?
Are they asking for anything?
nah. just the reimbursement for the part. maybe i'm overthinking a bit. but i was thinking if i do give them something on top, maybe a couple of other things start "breaking" in the house and they offer to fix it haha
paranoid? or possibility?
Post: tenant fixed an issue. what would you do?
- Jericho, NY
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- Votes 5
Hi everyone. I have some new tenants that i moved in this month. They called me and said there was an issue with the toilet. however, theres a handyman in the house and they said they can fix it no problem. they replaced a piece and put it in without any issue. i will reimburse them for the piece they had to buy to fix it.
In this case, would you give them anything on top of the reimbursement since you didn't have to go in and fix it yourself? the piece was around 20 bucks. how much would you give.
any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thank you
Post: need an electrician in the NY metro area
- Jericho, NY
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Hi everyone! I just brought a new condo yesterday. I need some electrical work done. Does anyone have any recommendations i can check out?
the property is in richmond hill, queens
thank you!
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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Originally posted by @Karen O.:
Jesse Yuan.
You've gotten some sound advice from a number of BP members. Only you can decide how best to go forward.
Your debt load or lack of it will determine how much cash you have available to do another deals. As previously stated, if you tie up all your cash in this first deal, you'll have to wait a while for the net income from rents and savings from your own W-2 income to replenish your coffers. Also, the more cash invested in the property, the lower your return. If you're in it for the cash flow and don't plan to make another purchase anytime soon - or ever - then having no mortgage could be a good thing.
One point of clarification - credit card interest is not deductible on an individual's taxes. So your friend who only pays the minimum due each month will never get out of debt at that rate. They'll be paying off last season's show tix or clothes long after they have been enjoyed.
Interest that you pay in the course of doing business is different.
Good luck.
YEah I figured my friend was hopelessly misinformed about that. but the point is, that is largely how misinformed the general public is about debt.
For me, i figured, even if i were to get 100% of the interest i paid back on my tax return, what is the point? I had to pay that interest to the bank anyway so it really is just a waste of time for the money to transfer like that. better to pay it off quick and not accrue the interest at all. however, after all the responses here, i see that leaving the debt as is would be valuable for accrueing wealth to make more purchases in the future
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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on the student loan topic. i'm kind of split on the issue. I know that I would not have been able to have the earning power I do now without my degree or at least it would have been very difficult. however, i know plenty of people that i graduated with that weren't as lucky. I know this one girl that graduated in 2013 and still has not been able to find a job. The market for my profession has become hopelessly saturated because of promises of guaranteed big bucks after graduation. my student loans was 100,000 but that is because 1. I had a scholarship that paid nearly half of my tuition. 2. i paid it off immediately before interest could kill me. Other people that weren't as fortunate will pay up to 300,000 with no job in site.
I do however definitely think that most people who apply for student loans have absolutely zero concept of how difficult the debt would be to pay back. How can you expect a 17 year old coming out of high school to have a clue about it? I know when i was applying for the loans, i didn't think twice about how ridiculous it was that they are giving me this much money with no credit history or employment.
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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- Votes 5
Originally posted by @Dave Toelkes:
@Account Closed
There are three advantages to owning rental property: Cash flow, Appreciation, and Tax benefits.
As a general rule, rental property owners do not buy a property for tax benefits nor for appreciation. Appreciation may or may not happen, and, when it does happen, it happens slowly. Tax benefits sometimes come at the expense of cash flow, but tax benefits are more like the icing on the cake and not the sole reason to buy rental property. The best tax benefit for a rental property owner is the depreciation expense deduction. You get the full depreciation expense deduction no matter whether you have a loan in place or own the property free and clear.
What you need to do is tell us why you want to become a landlord. What future goal does rental property ownership achieve? If you want to retire with an income that meets your lifestyle needs for the rest of your life, then how much CASHFLOW will that take and how long do you have before retirement. Next, determine how many properties you need to own to satisfy that cashflow requirement. If your retirement lifestyle will need $5000 per month, then you can probably make that happen with 50 financed properties, or with five to eight free and clear properties.
Once you know how many properties you will need in your portfolio, then you may want to be more aggressive about acquisition than you are about debt reduction. Once you have purchased the number of properties you need, then be aggressive about debt reduction. Until you define your goal, you will never have a clear plan to get there Until then, discussions like this one are not going to give you any meaningful direction.
Well, i'm making around 11,000 a month at the moment. I suppose that would be a good number. I can't imagine owning 50 properties. not saying it is impossible but i would be pretty impressed with myself. What I'm really looking for is to supplement my income. Although i make the 11,000, i am currently working nearly 60 hours a week to get it. I wanna maybe cut it down to 15-20 hours per week as a per diem gig and live off my real estate investments.
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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Originally posted by @Kevin Yoo:
- Higher Return (IRR): If you have $100,000 into your rental because you paid off the mortgage as opposed to only $30,000 because you put a mortgage on the property, then the net income you get as a return of the cash you invested is higher with the second scenario even after taking into account the mortgage payments. If you have all paid all cash for a property, the returns are very typically in single digits. If you leverage with a mortgage, then the returns are typically in double digits many times in 20 or even 30%ile.
Hmm, the other points are definitely plain and simple. but this one is a bit confusing. does it mean that because you put in more money, the returns percentage wise are technically less? wouldn't that even out after you finish paying the mortgage in 30 years?
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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Originally posted by @Albert Okagbue:
Jesse - It sounds to me like you already have an aversion to debt. I would turn around and ask you a question: What prompted you to think about this?
It sounds like you earn well. You already paid off your student loans. Why are you even considering not doing the same with investment properties?
I would appeciate more info from you so that I can give a thoughtful response.
I suppose it's from a lot of misinformed people that are clueless about debt. For example, I have a friend that insists that it makes sense to only pay the minimum on her credit card because she will get the interest back on her taxes(not sure if thats true or not). Me, i prefer paying the full quantity every single month and starting fresh from 0 debt.
I know that real estate provides benefits for tax situations. but i'm just not sure how much. I make about 135,000 per year after taxes so i have the option to pay it off in 2 years or less if i really tried. But i want to make sure i have all the correct information before i make a decision
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
- Posts 29
- Votes 5
Wow. Thank you for all the responses! I think the general answer here is to pay it off aggressively unless I plan to get more properties and debt in the future correct? in that case, I should save up collateral to pool into growing my portfolio. I am sort of dipping my toes in the pool to test the waters with this one. How aggressively i want to pursue my real estate portfolio in the future depends on how much i enjoy doing this. I was under the impression that you were able to get a much higher return on your taxes for the interest payments so this information was definitely useful. how about other deductibles such as depreciation or itemized deductibles? are they affected by early mortgage payments as well or will i still get the benefits if i pay aggressively?
Post: Tax Downsides to Paying Off a Mortgage
- Jericho, NY
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- Votes 5
Hello everyone! My name is Jesse and I am a new investor. I am about to close on my first property on march 22nd (tuesday!). It is a $250000 2 bedroom condo in the NY metro area. I will be renting this apartment out after I purchase it. However, I am trying to weigh the pros and cons of aggressively paying off my mortgage.
I graduated school with 100,000 dollars worth of student loan debt in 2013. I started to pay the minimum at first. I asked around about the benefits and found out that I would get the interest back on my tax returns. So I sat around and thought about it. BAsically, I pay the interest to the government for my loan, and then they give it back to me. Sounded like a very silly game to me. So I decided to aggressively pay back my student loans. I finished paying it in 10 months.
Now I know when you buy a property, you get other tax benefits besides just the interest on your tax returns. My question is, is it a better approach to aggressively pay it off like i did with my student loans, or are there other tax benefits to slowly paying off the mortgage?