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All Forum Posts by: Zach Lemaster

Zach Lemaster has started 729 posts and replied 1831 times.

Post: Any Feedback on TurnKey?

Zach Lemaster
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  • Denver, CO
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@Jamie Stone

We've found turnkey to be a great way for people to get started investing to build a strong foundation, especially if you are looking to invest out of state for any reason.  It provides an opportunity for you to tap immediately into a network that you can expand on over time, learn the rope & ultimately apply systems learned to your own deals if you so choose.  Obviously make sure you are investing with a reputable team, and that the overall investment opportunities meet your goals.  While it is a common assumption that all TK is sold at or above market value, that would not necessarily be true in today's market, especially in the build to rent space (BTR).  RTR does offer many new construction properties that are in good locations, cash flow decent AND have 10%+ of immediate equity allowing you to expedite your investment goals.  This option was not available over the past 2-4 years due to how crazy the market was, but is now.  Just wanted to point that out.  My best recommendation for you is to speak with multiple teams & explore a few different markets to determine who you feel the most comfortable working with.  Then it's all about taking action and staying consistent.  Many people start with TK & go on to build their own portfolios to be a more active investor & many people continue to keep investing in TK across multiple locations if they prefer to be less of an active investor.  Nothing wrong with either strategy as long as you are growing, learning & staying down the path to reach your investment goals.

Here are some other forum threads that talk about TK in general and RTR that may be useful if you want to continue down that path.

Feel free to reach out anytime with questions & best of luck to you on your investing journey!

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

Post: Anyone have experience with rent to retirement?

Zach Lemaster
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@Remy Piazza  Thank you for the follow up. This is a common question we get, especially as many people will be quick to lump all TK companies into this general assumption without truly taking the time to investigate each business & investment opportunities. Below are a few points to consider as you continue your investigation on the right path that best suits your goals:

1) The assumption that all TK companies operate the exact same would be inappropriate. This is the same for all types of businesses in RE, or anything in business really. Not all TK companies sell properties without any upside or equity potential. To be very specific, at RTR, a large portion of what we focus on is new construction properties (BTR) that ARE sold exclusively to our network below market value. We currently have projects outside of Orlando (Polk County) where appraisals are consistently coming in $30k+ above sales price. The new builds are in good areas that have strong rental demand to allow for attractive cash flow and rental growth. This is an example of investing in the right location where there is excellent opportunity. Here is another example of a success story where our client came into significant equity upon initial purchase: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

2) While there are some TK companies that do sell properties well above market that require you to pay more than it's worth or close all cash, it would be inaccurate to assume all TK companies do this. In the right location, there are plenty of deals that are a win-win for everyone involved. That is where the best deals AND relationships are made. We value our relationships with investors more than squeezing every dollar out of a property as that keeps the investor as a return client to continue investing with us (which is more profitable in the long run vs just selling one overpriced property). Just as there are many different property managers, lenders, insurance agents, builders, contractors, etc. that operate in the same arena, they do not all operate the same and offer the same products/opportunities. Same goes for TK as not all businesses should be assumed to be the exact same. Many do offer tremendous value for investors & many resources beyond just buying a home, which should not be overlooked. Do your research, talk with other investors that have used the company you are researching, and check online feedback. While RTR is not perfect by any means, we have an extremely positive reputation in the TK space that we have spent the past decade building & that we are very proud to showcase.

3) If a TK company is requiring you to pay well above market value or requiring cash closings, that would be a concern. We always recommend getting an appraisal done (which most all lenders require) & we do not see a significant variance in the vast majority of property appraisals compared to purchase price. If there is a low appraisal for whatever reason, that certainly opens the door to negotiation.

4) Investing with the right TK company will provide you immediate access to a comprehensive team of professionals with a proven track record that will allow you to be a more successful investor with your own investing, which is great! Immediate access to the right lenders, CPAs, Attorney's, Property Managers, Contractors, Builders, Insurance Agents, Software, Agents/Brokers, Acquisition teams, etc. can save you a significant amount of time, money & frustration over time allowing you to focus on running your REI business vs operating in it.

5) TK is a great way to immediately access markets and properties in some of the best locations throughout the U.S. that you may not be easily able to access otherwise. In my experience investing, simply being in the right market is really what makes all the difference over time. We focus our investing on choosing the right locations vs trying to find distressed properties in areas to buy below market value to get a better deal on a property that will take up more of our time and energy. This has allowed us to scale much quicker, exponentially growing our portfolio beyond what we would have been able to if we only focused on rehab projects.

6) We have many investors that are full time RE investors or rehabbers that simply buy TK as an easy way to scale and diversify their portfolio beyond what they are currently working on. One of our investors being the well known creative finance expert, Pace Morby, who recently invested with us in a FL new build that had significant, immediate equity. TK is a great way to easily obtain more tax benefits each year through acquiring more properties across multiple locations, especially if you are considering accelerated depreciation!

7) Know what your investing strategy is. If you are looking to be an active investor to build your own teams in each location or someone that wants to wholesale/rehab/brrr properties, then TK may not be the right option to start with. However over time, TK could be an option as well for you to continue to easily expand your portfolio. TK generally fits well for people who don't want to be too active by working with an established team to invest in long term, cash flowing assets that will grow in equity and rental income over time. If the property is in a good location, cash flows well and meets your investment goals, then it may be a good option for you to start with. We've had many investors that have started with the TK route in a specific market to later expand their own operations in the same or other markets to be very successful. I'd like to think they learned a few things from us on how to build a strong team & process. There certainly is a value component to that!

8) You most certainly could find good deals on your own currently (even on the MLS now) as the market has softened some. However, there seems to be an assumption here that by doing this on your own you would find a deal well below market value, which should not be assumed. Sure, if you are looking for a distressed property that requires work to be done to it, there is a likelihood that you could negotiate a deal below market value, but you need to be well informed on the total amount of repairs you need to put into the property along with how long it will take to rehab the property & have a clear plan on how you are going to source the right contractors to do the work for you if you are not going to be doing it yourself. When looking at purchasing a distressed, rehab property, this is a completely different type of investing than TK. This requires knowing how to build a team to rehab and manage the project & carries a lot more variability & risk. I'm not saying this is not possible. It most certainly is possible, but it's important to understand what you are getting into. If going this route, I would recommend budgeting for unforeseen expenses & extended timeline for rehab completion. After going through this process on hundreds of homes across the nation, very seldom does a rehab work out exactly as planned initially. This is a way to buy below market value to allow for a value add and forced appreciation. Any seller (TK or otherwise) is going to try to sell their home for market value if it's in good condition & if they are in a strong market. Why would they not want to sell their home for what it's worth? Just don't assume that you are going to find a much better deal on your own if the home is newly built, recently renovated & in a good market.

Hope this all makes sense & helps you, or anyone reading to determine what the best investment strategy is based on your personal goals.

Feel free to reach out at any time with questions.

-To your success!

Post: Anyone have experience with rent to retirement?

Zach Lemaster
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  • Denver, CO
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Hi @Remy Piazza!

Thanks for the interest.  

Here are many forum threads that will assist you in answering your question and doing additional research.  Feel free to reach out with any questions.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/929410-rent-to-retirement-updates?highlight_post=5508807&page=1#p5508807

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/893621-rent-to-retirement-review?highlight_post=5222888&page=1#p5222888

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/915728-experience-with-rent-to-retirement-turnkey?page=1#p5345200

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/808479-rent-to-retirement-experiences

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/518583-feedback-on-renttoretirement-and-zach-lemaster?highlight_post=6192149&page=4&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification_V2&utm_channel=28426&utm_content=Marketing

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/952977-turnkey-in-indianapolis-through-rtr-case-study

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/997350-lessons-learned-from-buying-my-first-rental-property?highlight_post=5748036&page=1#p5748036

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/533693-anyone-worked-with-renttoretirement-turnkey

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/581730-rent-to-retirement-zach

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/874096-reviews-on-r2r-and-nch?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5123754

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/883772-turnkey-investing-renttoretirement-feedback-reviews?highlight_post=5171720&page=1#p5171720

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/950188-rent-to-retirement?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5535505


https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

Post: Best Turnkey provider you have ever encountered

Zach Lemaster
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  • Denver, CO
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@Ruchit Patel Thanks for the mention!

@Sumit Sehgal Here are some more links for you to read more information and reviews on Rent To Retirement.  Our team is happy to answer any questions you have!  I am biased, but I do think we have the best reputation in the TK space!  ; )

Best of luck to you & your investing endeavors!\

https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/929410-rent-to-retirement-updates?highlight_post=5508807&page=1#p5508807

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/893621-rent-to-retirement-review?highlight_post=5222888&page=1#p5222888

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/915728-experience-with-rent-to-retirement-turnkey?page=1#p5345200

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/808479-rent-to-retirement-experiences

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/518583-feedback-on-renttoretirement-and-zach-lemaster?highlight_post=6192149&page=4&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification_V2&utm_channel=28426&utm_content=Marketing

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/67/topics/952977-turnkey-in-indianapolis-through-rtr-case-study

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/997350-lessons-learned-from-buying-my-first-rental-property?highlight_post=5748036&page=1#p5748036

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12/topics/533693-anyone-worked-with-renttoretirement-turnkey

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/581730-rent-to-retirement-zach

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/874096-reviews-on-r2r-and-nch?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5123754

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/883772-turnkey-investing-renttoretirement-feedback-reviews?highlight_post=5171720&page=1#p5171720

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/950188-rent-to-retirement?page=1&utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional:%20topic_notification&utm_content=Transactional#p5535505


https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references

Post: Looking for a Turn-Key rental property company

Zach Lemaster
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  • Posts 1,900
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Post: Best Turnkey Providers of 2022 and Trends for 2023

Zach Lemaster
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 1,900
  • Votes 3,692

Hi @Lorraine Patterson!

Thank you for reaching out.  Construction across the nation & especially in SWFL is a very dynamic environment right now.  There are many things to consider.  I am happy to help you however I can.  Both my business (RTR) & me personally are heavily invested in the area.  We still have multiple builders in our approved network, but the building environment has changed dramatically over the past couple of years.  It's still an excellent market to be involved in.  We just need to review timelines, build variances, builder capacities, resale vs rental strategies, etc.  I will be the first to tell you that things have not gone exactly according to plan based on what we understood at the time with the construction model two years ago vs now.  Some things in each builder's control, some not.  Regardless, it's still an excellent market with lot of opportunity, but needs to be approached with an appropriate education/expectations & risk tolerance.  Shoot me a message if you'd like to connect.

Post: Best Turnkey Providers of 2022 and Trends for 2023

Zach Lemaster
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Good discussion here.  Savvy investors find ways to be successful in all market cycles, especially down markets.  Turnkey can be a successful long-term investment in all market cycles if you are buying appropriately, in a good market & working with a proper team.

For the equity discussions, I would like to point out that it IS possible to buy TK with equity, even now.  There is enough room in many deals for everyone to have their slice of the pie.  Here is a good example of a recent investor of ours that had $140K of equity in a new build that took ~18 months to complete:  https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

While this was TK, it was a new build we worked with this client on that took time to complete, had additional risks & variances in build timelines, etc. The IRR turned out to be very high for this client once completed. There is risk in all types of investing, so it just depends on what your appetite for risk vs reward is. Same thing goes for buying distressed houses and renovating them. TK is a good option to minimize risk & time involvement, but you would not expect to have crazy equity upon purchase. However, there are options, like the scenario stated above, that have large equity potential. This BTR option would come along with higher risk in the spec arena.

Most important advice I'd give to anyone trying to decide on the best path to invest is to be very honest with yourself about your goals, strengths, weaknesses, time & risk tolerance for the investment you are looking to make.  Once you decide, then act on that plan to move forward & LEARN, which is what it's all about!

Best of luck to all those new & experienced investors!  It's crazy times right now, but lot's of opportunity as well.  I'm personally planning to make 2023 the largest year for acquisitions we've had to date.  We buy turnkey commercial properties with zero equity & a 5-6 cap...this is largely a tax play for us & will be a very long term hold.  Just thought I'd share that.  ; )

Post: Best Turnkey Providers of 2022 and Trends for 2023

Zach Lemaster
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Thanks for the mention @Ruchit Patel!

@Eric V Harding I own and operate Rent To Retirement.  I think trends we will all see in 2023 is simply less sales in general.  This is actually a good thing that the market has corrected some and it creates a lot of buying opportunity, which should be taken advantage of.  This is a good time to purchase where you will likely get incentives or credits that you did not a year ago.  Many newer investors are scared to jump in or sitting on the sidelines with higher interest rates, but they will be the same ones competing against each other again when rates drop causing another sellers market.  My recommendation would be to build a criteria of what makes sense for you & take action to invest now!  You can always refi in the future with lower rates, but at least now you have a chance at acquiring a better deal than you did last year.  Most importantly, when you invest in a good market that is still dramatically growing in population, your rents will likely go up year after year along with gaining strong appreciation.  So even if a property is minimal cash flow now, increasing rents will continue to grow cash flow each year.  When the rates come down you can then choose to refi, or maybe sell for a gain to all the investors that didn't take action now.  Just my two cents!

We are here to assist you with any questions you have so please don't hesitate to reach out.  RTR has been one of the longest standing TK companies on BP with an excellent reputation for about a decade now!

Here are some other related threads on TK experiences that might be useful to read through:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/765347-rent-to-retirement-review

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/1058814-first-time-with-new-construction-cape-coral-fl?highlight_post=6055029&page=1

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/850/topics/895660-my-first-investment-property-an-out-of-state-deal

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/88/topics/1047543-big-profits-from-new-construction-sfr-build-in-cape-coral-fl

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/92/topics/983659-first-investment-property-with-rent-to-retirement?highlight_post=5677176&page=1#p5677176

https://www.biggerpockets.com/co/RentToRetirement

https://www.biggerpockets.com/users/ZacharyCole/references