# BRRRR Refinance Step Help

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Good Morning Everyone, I have been putting this off for a little bit because honestly I am kind of embarrassed but I realize that to learn I need to actually ask the questions that I need answers to so here it goes.

for the refinancing portion of the BRRRR strategy I for some reason cant seem to wrap my head around how all the numbers work. I know that it is pretty straight forward but I think I am overcomplicating it.

So lets just say \$250,000 is the purchase price with down payment of \$50,000, \$50,000 is the rehab cost, when done it would sell for \$450,000. So I purchase, Rehab and rent out the property, now the seasoning period for the loan is up and now I can refinance. From there the bank appraises it and says it is worth the \$450,000 so I can refinance it to 80% of the appraised value (80% is what my bank will refinance at). That leaves the refinanced loan at \$360,000. THIS is where my brain gets stuck for some reason.

Is it \$360,000 - \$250,000 = \$110,000 equity now in the property??

This is why I am embarrassed because I know it is a simple concept but I just cant seem to get it.

Thanks!

Although I am still learning as well, from my understanding your math is incorrect. Your equity would be what the property is worth minus what you owe after the refi...

450,000-360,000 = 90k equity left in the deal.

Also new here - but you're close.

If you refi for 360k, you pay off the note for 250k, you pay yourself back for the 100k down/rehab (50+50), and end up with 10k extra (obviously that will likely be soaked up with closing costs/etc).... BUT, you will have ZERO cash invested, and hopefully have a cash-flowing property, which provides "infinite" cash on cash return. (In addition to the 90k equity left in the deal)

Hope this helps!!

See so right there THAT is what I keep getting hung up on. Why cant I figure out how I can pull the \$100,000 but ALSO have the \$90,000 Equity left in the deal??

I just don't see how I can pull all of the money invested out but also still have the \$90,000 equity still in the deal, please could you explain how I would have \$90,000 in equity PLUS be able to pull all the money invested (\$100,000) in the deal out where does the \$90,000 equity come from?

Also to do the BRRRR calculator, what number would I put in the refinance loan amount section. In this field would I put the\$360,000?

The most important number you need to establish is the ARV. Everything else is derived or subtracted from that number. Let me show you what I mean using your numbers.

ARV x LTV = Refi Amount - Rehab Cost - Closing Costs - Holding Costs = MAO

ARV \$450,000

x 70% - 80% (LTV) = this is your All-in Costs target = x 80% = \$360,000 (Refinance Loan Amount)

- Rehab Cost \$50,000

- Closing Costs \$ ???? (Acquisition Loan, HML Points, Refinance Fees)

- Holding Costs \$ ???? (This includes mortgage payments, taxes, insurance, utilities, HOA fees, etc. that occur during the Rehab Phase and up until the property is fully rented)

= \$310,000 (not including Closing and Holding Costs) Maximum Allowable Offer

Your Purchase price of \$250,000 is below this amount.  That is good considering you did not provide Closing and Holding Costs.  The Cash-out Refinance loan will cover the \$250,000 Purchase price and \$50,000 Rehab.  That leaves \$10,000 cash remaining to cover the Closing and Holding Costs.  If they add up to more than \$10,000 that overage will remain in the property as equity.

You now have \$90,000 remaining in property as equity.  (\$450,000 - \$360,000)

Yes you put \$360,000 as the Refinance amount.

Thank you John, that explanation answered literally ever question I have ever had with regards to the BRRRR method.

Cant thank you enough and would up vote you more than once if I could! :)

@John Leavelle my concern is that now that it has been refinanced at a higher value, then the mortgage and taxes would be higher. I believe that this would have to be considered in the initial purchase to provide a positive cash flow. Am I correct?

The mortgage is definitely higher.  But, we include that in our calculations as part of the process.  All properties that you make significant improvements to should be assessed at a higher value.  You should consider that in all your investments.  So you are correct to include that in your analysis.