Sub To Cash on Cash and Cap Rate

Sub To Cash on Cash and Cap Rate

Real Estate Agent · Salt Lake City , UT · Member since 2017 · 155 posts · 92 votes

Hi everyone, 

I am curious what you try to get for cash on cash and cap rate. Im working a deal that is 5.32% cap and 8.48 COC. I like it because it is a pretty low down sub to deal with a 25 year mortgage that I can take over. Just curious other peoples thoughts. It is in Utah and finding things that cashflow is pretty difficult.

Thanks,

Eric Gardiner

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Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2014 · 363 posts · 408 votes
3y

What interest rate was the mortgage you took over?

The higher the interest rates the better Sub Too and owner financing are.

Cap rate is a bit low for Salt Lake City (in my opinion) but COC is decent. If there is room to add value and raise rent, could be a good deal.

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  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2014 · 363 posts · 408 votes
    3y

    What interest rate was the mortgage you took over?

    The higher the interest rates the better Sub Too and owner financing are.

    Cap rate is a bit low for Salt Lake City (in my opinion) but COC is decent. If there is room to add value and raise rent, could be a good deal.

  • Real Estate Agent · Salt Lake City , UT · Member since 2017 · 155 posts · 92 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Matthew Masoud:

    What interest rate was the mortgage you took over?

    The higher the interest rates the better Sub Too and owner financing are.

    Cap rate is a bit low for Salt Lake City (in my opinion) but COC is decent. If there is room to add value and raise rent, could be a good deal.

    Rate is 2.75% 
  • Investor · Orange County, CA · Member since 2014 · 363 posts · 408 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Gardiner:
    Quote from @Matthew Masoud:

    What interest rate was the mortgage you took over?

    The higher the interest rates the better Sub Too and owner financing are.

    Cap rate is a bit low for Salt Lake City (in my opinion) but COC is decent. If there is room to add value and raise rent, could be a good deal.

    Rate is 2.75% 

    That certainly helps. You'll want to do full underwriting to make sure your numbers are solid. 

  • Investor · Provo, UT · Member since 2016 · 759 posts · 626 votes
    3y

    At a 2.75% rate, I would move on it and wait it out for the next five-plus years. 

    Like @Matthew Masoud said if there are value add opportunities that could be what makes it a homerun.

    The second question I have is can you afford to lock up the capital needed, otherwise, it sounds like a good deal to me. Maybe think about a lease option with a 20% down as well.

  • Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Eric Gardiner:

    Hi everyone, 

    I am curious what you try to get for cash on cash and cap rate. Im working a deal that is 5.32% cap and 8.48 COC. I like it because it is a pretty low down sub to deal with a 25 year mortgage that I can take over. Just curious other peoples thoughts. It is in Utah and finding things that cashflow is pretty difficult.

    Thanks,

    Eric Gardiner

    Okay, you've lost me. Why buy a house that just sits there?

    When buying Subject To to hold, the value is in the difference between the mortgage costs and the rent. If the mortgage is $1,000 a month and the rent is $1,500 a month, that's akiller deal. Cap rates and COC don't facor in, in my opinion.

    When buying Subject To to fix & flip, the value is in the projected ARV minus unpaid principal, any money to the seller, holding costs, minus rehab, minus taxes, minus sales costs. If you like what is leftover, then it's worth doing. Don't assume appreciation,that was yesterday's play.

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