Can lenders withhold sharing a copy of the appraisal?

Can lenders withhold sharing a copy of the appraisal?

Joe S.Pro Member
Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes

Can lenders withhold sharing a copy of the appraisal? So if I am the one that pays for the appraisal why should a Lender give me a hard time about turning over the appraisal to me? Is this common practice among lenders? Do they have a legal standing to make it difficult for the person that purchased the appraisal to receive a copy of the appraisal?

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Lender · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2013 · 496 posts · 296 votes
5y

The lender owns the appraisal report, as they are the actual client not the buyer. But they still make you pay for it. 

Now most lenders will give you a copy of the report, I don't know why they wouldn't. It's not like you could just take it to another lender, there is an official process for that and the old lender has to sign off on it.

Be the squeaky wheel and make a fuss, and they may eventually give you the report. Go over the loan officer's head, it just may be the loan officer being a d$#k, and trying to keep you from going somewhere else.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y

    it was much more prevalent a few years back.. I know my bank must give me my appraisals.   But that's a commercial bank not conventional lending.. 

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    it was much more prevalent a few years back.. I know my bank must give me my appraisals.   But that's a commercial bank not conventional lending.. 

    They gave me the last one after me asking, but didn’t seem to like it. If I’m the one that paid for for it then it should be mine IMO. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    it was much more prevalent a few years back.. I know my bank must give me my appraisals.   But that's a commercial bank not conventional lending.. 

    They gave me the last one after me asking, but didn’t seem to like it. If I’m the one that paid for for it then it should be mine IMO. 

    Every state has their banking and lending laws.. So its not a one size fits all..  But all the banks I work with happily give me mine upon request or I get an e mail..  Hey Jay your apprasial just came back see attached for you files.. we are ready to fund NeXT week  LOL.

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    it was much more prevalent a few years back.. I know my bank must give me my appraisals.   But that's a commercial bank not conventional lending.. 

    They gave me the last one after me asking, but didn’t seem to like it. If I’m the one that paid for for it then it should be mine IMO. 

    Every state has their banking and lending laws.. So its not a one size fits all..  But all the banks I work with happily give me mine upon request or I get an e mail..  Hey Jay your apprasial just came back see attached for you files.. we are ready to fund NeXT week  LOL.

    I believe the reason why they are trying to withhold appraisals for folks is that they are afraid some of their customers will shop other lenders with the appraisal in hand.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    it was much more prevalent a few years back.. I know my bank must give me my appraisals.   But that's a commercial bank not conventional lending.. 

    They gave me the last one after me asking, but didn’t seem to like it. If I’m the one that paid for for it then it should be mine IMO. 

    Every state has their banking and lending laws.. So its not a one size fits all..  But all the banks I work with happily give me mine upon request or I get an e mail..  Hey Jay your apprasial just came back see attached for you files.. we are ready to fund NeXT week  LOL.

    I believe the reason why they are trying to withhold appraisals for folks is that they are afraid some of their customers will shop other lenders with the appraisal in hand.

    Well the new lenders generally CANT use that appraisal anyway or wont since it was not made for them and they have no recourse to the appraiser for fraud or E and O.. 

    AS for shopping rates I would not know about that. for me I would never do that in a million years.. unless the bank told me to leave or it got untenable I am not going to move for 25 bips or 50 bips  pricing is the last thing I look at.  ( Within Reason of course)  But my commercial banks are pretty competitive. Its all about service .. 

  • Lender · Long Beach, CA · Member since 2013 · 496 posts · 296 votes
    5y

    The lender owns the appraisal report, as they are the actual client not the buyer. But they still make you pay for it. 

    Now most lenders will give you a copy of the report, I don't know why they wouldn't. It's not like you could just take it to another lender, there is an official process for that and the old lender has to sign off on it.

    Be the squeaky wheel and make a fuss, and they may eventually give you the report. Go over the loan officer's head, it just may be the loan officer being a d$#k, and trying to keep you from going somewhere else.

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Joe S.:

    Only in real estate do you get to pay for something yet don't get to be the client.  

    As a seller you get to pay for your buyer's agent.  Said agent negotiates against you.

    As a borrower you get to pay for the appraisal.   I agree we should get a copy.  We paid for it.  The lender ordered it for their protection (and the protection of the over-payers I guess).  i dont remember it being a problem seeing it but it's been awhile. 

    Which lender did you use, Joe?   

  • Member since 2021 · 8 posts · 4 votes
    5y

    @Joe S. In reality they can share the appraisal with you as well as even allow another lender to use it. My company has accepted many appraisal transfers from other companies who were not able to get the deal approved.. In the end, 99% of the time its the company just being a jerk about it. All companies do it

  • Appraiser · Knoxville · Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 7 votes
    5y

    @Joe S.

    This is a common misconception among buyers- because they pay for the appraisal report they assume it belongs to them. Unfortunately, the lender is the appraiser’s client as they hired them, and the lender can do what they wish with the report. Nobody is legally obligated to provide it to you. Ive never had an issue from my lender receiving it, though.. Weird that they are withholding it. It’s typical for them to share it with the borrower. Id just keep asking your lender for it or to at least provide an explanation for why you can’t look at it

  • Lender · Grand Rapids, MI · Member since 2019 · 175 posts · 82 votes
    5y

    @Joe S.As another pointed out on residential loan you typically are not the owner of the appraisal the lender is, but typically lender gets it to your as soon as it is complete because federal lending guidelines require you receive appraisal at least three business days prior to closing unless your waive that timing requirement. There is no state law that preempts appraisal timing requirements, but if commercial that wouldn’t apply.

  • Lender · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Please clarify the use of the loan, @Joe S.  If this is for a first position lien on a dwelling, both ECOA and Dodd-Frank changed this in 2014.

    Within three days of application, your lender must provide you with a disclosure notifying you of your right to a copy of your appraisal.  As a result, the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection provided the following recommended language for the disclosure:

    “We may order an appraisal to determine the property’s value and charge you for this appraisal. We will promptly give you a copy of any appraisal, even if your loan does not close. You can pay for an additional appraisal for your own use at your own cost.”

    If not a first position lien on a dwelling, before you agree to apply for the loan, I’d stipulate with the lender up-front that you expect them to provide you with a copy of any and all valuations. Get their agreement in writing.

  • Marty JohnstonPro Member
    Lender · Wauwatosa, WI · Member since 2016 · 571 posts · 204 votes
    5y

    @Joe S. you have most of the answers here. The one I would echo directly is as it relates to a commercial mortgage transaction (1-4 NOO, 5+ MF, or pure CRE), where some lenders like to hold onto the appraisal until the closing date, at which time they'll happily hand this over. I have capital partners who have been open with me as a broker that they do this to avoid shopping post appraisal. I know I know... So many lenders "Can't use the appraisal", since they are designated to a specific lender. 90% of the time, (or more), this is very true. However, in Commercial there are private lenders who will in fact accept other lender's appraisals for funding. Sometimes they just need to see that it was ordered through an AMC that they too accept, or the HML guys will just re-affirm it with their own in-house BPOs to solidify it.


    Hope this helps!

  • Joe S.Pro Member
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    Investor · San Antonio · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Marty Johnston:

    @Joe S. you have most of the answers here. The one I would echo directly is as it relates to a commercial mortgage transaction (1-4 NOO, 5+ MF, or pure CRE), where some lenders like to hold onto the appraisal until the closing date, at which time they'll happily hand this over. I have capital partners who have been open with me as a broker that they do this to avoid shopping post appraisal. I know I know... So many lenders "Can't use the appraisal", since they are designated to a specific lender. 90% of the time, (or more), this is very true. However, in Commercial there are private lenders who will in fact accept other lender's appraisals for funding. Sometimes they just need to see that it was ordered through an AMC that they too accept, or the HML guys will just re-affirm it with their own in-house BPOs to solidify it.


    Hope this helps!

    I believe that is the case here. I wasn’t planning on shopping at though. 

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    5y

    Must be a state by state issue a well. In MN and NV I’ve received a copy of the appraisal directly from the appraiser. Usually the day of or the day after the on-site visit. 

  • Columbia, SC · Member since 2014 · 133 posts · 190 votes
    5y

    @Joe S. as a banker the other question I would have is was it a "full" appraisal or an internal valuation done by the bank? On commercial deals where I've worked we wouldn't give out an internal valuation (even though you pay for it - although less than a full appraisal by a lot) because they don't want you to take that as a valuation to try to dispute with the assessor. They are much less in depth and only used to cover the underwriting requirements. 

  • Bob ReinhardBusiness Member
    Lender · Patterson, NY · Member since 2017 · 488 posts · 186 votes
    5y

    @Joe S.

    Please read carefully.

    A creditor shall provide an applicant a copy of all appraisals and other written valuations developed in connection with an application for credit that is to be secured by a first lien on a dwelling. A creditor shall provide a copy of each such appraisal or other written valuation promptly upon completion, or three business days prior to consummation of the transaction (for closed-end credit) or account opening (for open-end credit), whichever is earlier. An applicant may waive the timing requirement in this paragraph (a)(1) and agree to receive any copy at or before consummation or account opening, except where otherwise prohibited by law. Any such waiver must be obtained at least three business days prior to consummation or account opening, unless the waiver pertains solely to the applicant's receipt of a copy of an appraisal or other written valuation that contains only clerical changes from a previous version of the appraisal or other written valuation provided to the applicant three or more business days prior to consummation or account opening. If the applicant provides a waiver and the transaction is not consummated or the account is not opened, the creditor must provide these copies no later than 30 days after the creditor determines consummation will not occur or the account will not be opened.

    Ask your attorney if INVESTMENT property falls into this.

    Bob

    Taken from

    12 CFR Part 1002 - Equal Credit Opportunity Act (Regulation B)

  • Member since 2021 · 237 posts · 153 votes
    5y

    @Joe S.

    Happens up north all the time. I try and insist on a copy but even then all they will give me is a printed/ hard copy. No paper trail.

  • Contractor · Lewiston, NY · Member since 2020 · 27 posts · 13 votes
    5y

    @Joe S. I just paid for an appraisal and I saw on the paperwork that they will give me a copy of the appraisal within 3 days of the closing

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