Investor ยท Boise, ID ยท Member since 2014 ยท 3k+ posts ยท 3k+ votes
So many of us, especially newer investors, agonize over the underwriting of a deal, and rightly so. However, often very little thought is given to the screening and management process and that is evidenced here in the majority of the posts.
I'd go as far to say that screening and management may have MORE to do with the performance and success of an asset than the underwriting. Time is forgiving when we make some errors in underwriting, much more forgiving than a tenant who destroys your property and does not pay rent for six months while you are trying to figure out how to get them out.
Curious what newbies and some of us older investors think about the topic.
Investor ยท Shelton, WA ยท Member since 2017 ยท 6k+ posts ยท 6k+ votes
3y
I don't think it is either or. In order to be successful you need to do the best job you can at buying right and screening diligently. You can be torpedoed by a 500k property that only produces 2-3k rent, a HUD lawsuit, a semi screened tenant who does not pay rent and the property is in LA, NY or San Francisco, or a hundred other cities and communities that think landlords are money sucking pigs!
Yes, you can use a PM which in most cases will help a lot, but if you did not underwrite properly you may think you can't afford that.
Hey but if REI was easy everybody would be doing it!
Property Manager ยท Nationwide ยท Member since 2022 ยท 67 posts ยท 21 votes
3y
The application and screening process is critical for ensuring a smoother rental process down the road! Treating it almost as an interview process, I think reaching out to old landlords and work mangers is just as important as a good credit score. Getting that personal sense of what kind of tenant you are about to sign is much better qualitative feedback.
Of course life happens and not everyone that "passes" the screening turns out to be a perfect tenant, but as the landlord the risk prevention starts at square one.
I don't think it is either or. In order to be successful you need to do the best job you can at buying right and screening diligently. You can be torpedoed by a 500k property that only produces 2-3k rent, a HUD lawsuit, a semi screened tenant who does not pay rent and the property is in LA, NY or San Francisco, or a hundred other cities and communities that think landlords are money sucking pigs!
Yes, you can use a PM which in most cases will help a lot, but if you did not underwrite properly you may think you can't afford that.
Hey but if REI was easy everybody would be doing it!
All good points!
For clarification, I wasn't suggesting that an owner HAS to hire a PM company in order to manage a property professionally- its possible to do it on your own, but not many people do.
Real Estate Broker ยท Tampa Bay/St Petersburg, FL ยท Member since 2015 ยท 1k+ posts ยท 2k+ votes
3y
Both are obviously important, but I often tell my clients, "Great property management can turn a mediocre deal into a home run, while bad property management can turn a home run deal into a nightmare!".
Similarly, Engelo Rumora (can't find him, not sure if he's still active on BP) made a great statement here on Bigger Pockets back in 2018 (so much so that I printed it, framed it, and hung it on my wall:
"The stats and the demographics are not going to make you money. It's the people. It's the team on the ground who you are going to trust with your hard-earned money...You want to work with someone who is going to have your best interest at heart for 5, ten, or fifteen years".
In my experience, the investors who are most successful are those who establish long term, mutually rewarding partnerships with their team (broker/agent and PM in particular), rather than transactional relationships.
This bleeds over into the PM understanding the investor's goals and objectives for the property, and thus screening tenants, maintaining the property, minimizing expenses and vacancy, and maximizing rent collections accordingly.
Both are obviously important, but I often tell my clients, "Great property management can turn a mediocre deal into a home run, while bad property management can turn a home run deal into a nightmare!".
Similarly, Engelo Rumora (can't find him, not sure if he's still active on BP) made a great statement here on Bigger Pockets back in 2018 (so much so that I printed it, framed it, and hung it on my wall:
"The stats and the demographics are not going to make you money. It's the people. It's the team on the ground who you are going to trust with your hard-earned money...You want to work with someone who is going to have your best interest at heart for 5, ten, or fifteen years".
In my experience, the investors who are most successful are those who establish long term, mutually rewarding partnerships with their team (broker/agent and PM in particular), rather than transactional relationships.
This bleeds over into the PM understanding the investor's goals and objectives for the property, and thus screening tenants, maintaining the property, minimizing expenses and vacancy, and maximizing rent collections accordingly.
Thanks for the mention mate and agreed 100%
I'm still here and stalking everything like a hawk from behind the scenes haha
Opted for the "quite life" as if I contribute more, I feel like I'll get back into the "keyboard cowboy" bantering hehe
It's always about the people/team.
I know of folks making millions in ghetto's
And it's not because of the stats/demographics/growth prospects, etc...
It's because they have a property manager that's a hustler and bangs on doors to collect rent and doesn't steal the rent lol
Property Manager ยท Royal Oak, MI ยท Member since 2012 ยท 12k+ posts ยท 9k+ votes
3y
@Corby Goade dude, we wrote blog post series here on BP because it's so important!
The challenge is getting newbies to invest the time in reading & understanding them.
Since selecting the wrong PMC is usually more harmful than selecting a bad tenant, you might want to read our series about โHow to Screen a PMC Better than a Tenantโ: