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Andy Bondhus
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Tenant screening: arrests & felonies

Andy Bondhus
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Posted Jun 12 2018, 10:06

When screening for a new tenant, do you immediately deny them if they have any arrests or felonies?  Or do you take into consideration how long ago the offense was?

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Marcus Johnson
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Replied Jun 12 2018, 10:08

I would never deny somebody because of a misdemeanor, they could’ve had a minor consumption disorderly conduct years ago when they were in college or do you are you along time ago. I won’t except Felonies.

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Replied Jun 12 2018, 10:10

I immediately reject any applicant that has obvious blemishes. I do not compromise my standards to provide anyone a second chance when there are better applicants that are more deserving.

There will always be desperate landlords or those with low standards that will rent to them.

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Peter M.
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Replied Jun 12 2018, 10:14

Not an automatic denial. Only felony I would accept is 1 DUI with no other priors. Like @Marcus Johnson said, if its a public intoxication that happened in their 20s then I wouldn't care. If they had 3 PIs and 2 DUIs, it looks like a pattern. Hard no on violent offenses even if it is a misdemeanor. 

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Katie Stewart
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Replied Jun 12 2018, 10:40

I would not immediately deny them because of an arrest or felony. I take into consideration how long ago the person was charged, whether it was a violent crime, and if there are other concerning things like bad credit that appear on their screening report. I also would take into consideration the amount of crimes on their record as those above stated.

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Andy Bondhus
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Andy Bondhus
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Replied Jun 12 2018, 11:10

@Katie Stewart, @Peter M., @Thomas S., @Marcus Johnson,  thanks for the advice, just came across that these potential tenants had an eviction less than a year ago.  They will be receiving a denial letter.  

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Jim S.
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Replied Jun 12 2018, 16:37

Keep in mind it takes a certain personality/attitude to commit a felony. I've meet a few that had a felony over 10 years ago. They still have a cocky attitude. Why would I rent to them when I have 3-4 other people that don't.

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Dick Rosen
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Dick Rosen
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 15:49

You need to be very careful with this subject. Denying a felon can be considered a fair housing violation. Denying for arrest would almost certainly be a fair housing violation. I know the rules are a little more vague with owner/landlords but you still need to be careful with this.

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Replied Jun 13 2018, 16:08
Originally posted by @Dick Rosen:

You need to be very careful with this subject. Denying a felon can be considered a fair housing violation. Denying for arrest would almost certainly be a fair housing violation. I know the rules are a little more vague with owner/landlords but you still need to be careful with this.

 This, you need a policy on how to handle various charges and generally you cannot deny someones application after it has beeen a reasonable amount of years. Look up disparate impact

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Alexander Felice
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 16:18

In a past life I was quite the degenerate.

no arrest record, but probably should have a long one. I can't put a blanket opinion on people because of past mistakes. I would want context.

I, personally, look forward to giving people a second chance who I feel can maximize it.

convicts misbehaved in very specific circumstances most times, it may be completely irrelevant to what you're asking of them. People change, grow, learn.

edit - I just saw you mention they had a recent eviction. this would immediately disqaualify them LOL

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Andy Bondhus
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Andy Bondhus
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 17:37

@Dick Rosen, I must of missed something, under what class are felons protected under?

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Replied Jun 13 2018, 17:49

Wasn't my rental, but I was the PM. Best Tenant I EVER HAD!

Dishonorable Discharge United States Marines 1989. Got drunk, punched his wife once, did two years in Leavenworth. 

I didn't approve him. He was my absolute favorite. In Texas a DD is considered a felony.

Rent on time EVERY month. Yard perfect, never a complaint, changed his own light bulbs. He was there for nearly four years.

The exception, not the rule, but the best dude I ever met tenant wise.

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Adrian Stamer
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 18:30
Originally posted by @Andy Bondhus:

@Dick Rosen, I must of missed something, under what class are felons protected under?

 If you cause disparate impact to a protected class even if it’s unintentional by other criteria it can be a fair housing violation 

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Jim Cummings
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 19:29

@Adrian Stamer. Felons are NOT a Protected Class IAW Fair Housing rules. 

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Fred Heller
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Replied Jun 13 2018, 19:33

Not giving legal advice, but you might want to look up the HUD disparate impact ruling from a couple of years ago. Basically, it says that blanket denials because of certain convictions could be a fair housing violation because some offenses have a disparate impact on minority communities.

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Replied Jun 13 2018, 19:49
Originally posted by @Jim Cummings:

@Adrian Stamer. Felons are NOT a Protected Class IAW Fair Housing rules. 

 You are correct but please read Fred’s post. Causes disparate impact to protected classes

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Redgy Saint-Germain
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Replied Jun 14 2018, 13:55

@Andy Bondhus

A misdemeanor is acceptable because it can happen to anyone. Felonies are a big NO NO 

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Dick Rosen
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Replied Jun 15 2018, 10:00
Originally posted by @Andy Bondhus:

@Dick Rosen, I must of missed something, under what class are felons protected under?

Not a protected class but based on fair housing guidelines you can't just deny all felons. HUD feels that a certain percentage of felons are included in protected classes.

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Replied Jun 15 2018, 11:51

Protected class or not when you deny any applicant you never give a reason. Most if not all applicants have blemishes you can use to justify your denying a application without using criminal record as the reason if challenged. You can even use a applicants attitude or appearance as justification to reject. Extremely rare to be challenged on a denial though.

Do not make the mistake of being afraid to protect your investment.

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Replied Jun 15 2018, 12:31

Arrests ?  No .   Convictions , felony yes 

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Replied Jun 15 2018, 12:52

I'm with Thomas S...again..... I never give a specific reason for a denial..... I just say I found an applicant with better qualification and fit for that unit....more vague the better. As soon as you give a specific reason, you may be painting yourself into a corner

As for the felony....depends on what and when and how the candidate stack up on all of my other criteria

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Andy Bondhus
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Replied Jun 15 2018, 13:12

Thanks for everyone's input!