Portland, OR landlords, low barrier screening criteria?

Portland, OR landlords, low barrier screening criteria?

Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Are you using low barrier screening criteria some recommend? Self managers and property managers? Attorney's suggest safest as far as lawsuit goes but can end up with some sketchy people IMO. Having trouble trading out of Portland.

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Property Manager · Portland, OR · Member since 2020 · 50 posts · 39 votes
5y

I manage both single-family and multi-unit throughout the Portland Metro and beyond (Hillsboro, Beaverton, Lake Oswego, Oregon City, etc). Aside from a 20-plex I manage, we're using the low barrier criteria for all of our properties. For property managers it's not really scalable to use a different criteria and I haven't had issues with the quality of applicants or tenants since implementation last March. We're at 100% on-time payments for all new properties leased since May. With the low barrier screening criteria you really have to focus on how you market, position, and message a property to get the type of applicants you want. For us it's all about marketing and pricing properly. In the property management world we're required to accept the regulations as they are and keep our owners and properties in compliance. That being said, most of the new owners I'm working with are people who formerly self-managed and have decided that the amount of specialized knowledge required to navigate Portland's regulatory environment isn't worth the trouble.

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  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 143 posts · 105 votes
    5y

    Sorry, i don't have any advice but i'm in the same boat. I'm so effing tired of this town I'm literally just leaving any vacancies empty till I get the guidelines figured or get them sold. 

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    I know @Zach Davis vacancies is what I have too since May although have been rehabbing but seeing dead ends in trading out too. Was hard getting them vacant but time is money lost but nothing like a really bad tenant.

  • Kirk JohansenPro Member
    Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    I guess it depends on the side of town where your rentals are at. Are you currently doing Section 8 housing?

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2013 · 143 posts · 105 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jeff S.:

    I know @Zach Davis vacancies is what I have too since May although have been rehabbing but seeing dead ends in trading out too. Was hard getting them vacant but time is money lost but nothing like a really bad tenant.

    We were lucky with the whole thing honestly. We decided to move back to flipping a few years ago started selling 2 years ago so we just have a handful of properties left. We also just decided to pay the taxes and regroup before moving into something else. It hurts to cut that check but since we don't really want to be in the rental business anymore it was really the cleanest way out anyway. 

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Flipping own inventory@Zach Davis can make sense. Did you ever try property management? 

  • Investor · Akron, OH · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    I can't imagine that this is illegal (even in Portland) and it has really improved the quality of my applicants and virtually eliminated no-shows... I require tenants to complete a free application including an upload of an id and a paycheck or benefit stub with proof of income before I'll show the unit.

  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2017 · 861 posts · 1k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Jill F.:

    I can't imagine that this is illegal (even in Portland) and it has really improved the quality of my applicants and virtually eliminated no-shows... I require tenants to complete a free application including an upload of an id and a paycheck or benefit stub with proof of income before I'll show the unit.

    Sorry non-portland question, what level of screening do you do on the application at that point, before they get to see the unit?   Thinking of redoing my processes.

  • Investor · Akron, OH · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    I usually have the criteria in my ad including minimum income, no-smoking, and pet fees and requirements.
    I check court records for local tenants in all the cities they have listed.
    Then I call applicants to see what move-in date they are looking for and I'll ask them why they are moving -- sometimes they rule themselves out running their mouth.
    If the employer or pay looks marginal, sometimes I'll call the employer for a ref and If someone calls me with 'special circumstances'; if I want to consider them, I'll check landlord or personal references too.

  • Property Manager · Portland, OR · Member since 2020 · 50 posts · 39 votes
    5y

    I manage both single-family and multi-unit throughout the Portland Metro and beyond (Hillsboro, Beaverton, Lake Oswego, Oregon City, etc). Aside from a 20-plex I manage, we're using the low barrier criteria for all of our properties. For property managers it's not really scalable to use a different criteria and I haven't had issues with the quality of applicants or tenants since implementation last March. We're at 100% on-time payments for all new properties leased since May. With the low barrier screening criteria you really have to focus on how you market, position, and message a property to get the type of applicants you want. For us it's all about marketing and pricing properly. In the property management world we're required to accept the regulations as they are and keep our owners and properties in compliance. That being said, most of the new owners I'm working with are people who formerly self-managed and have decided that the amount of specialized knowledge required to navigate Portland's regulatory environment isn't worth the trouble.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Kirk Johansen We are talking about in the city limits of Portland. I don't currently have section 8 but have in the past.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Jill F. you are very organized and would certainly need to be to scale the way you are. I am sure if you were here in Portland you would be on top of the rules and regs. It is different here than there in that the city is certain discrimination is widespread and they believe it is the mom and pops that are doing it through what they call disparate impact. They are looking for court cases so they can prove their theories about disparate impact so their rules can be more easily understood by attorneys. They blame landlords for homelessness when in fact it is their rules that are causing rental units to dry up and rents to skyrocket. Some investors are celebrating the future with sky high rents like the big cities. 

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Kurt Lane good luck on your new company. I recognize you from the RHA website. How many units does your company manage?

  • Kirk JohansenPro Member
    Member since 2020 · 5 posts · 3 votes
    5y

    @Jeff S. City limits of Portland are pretty big. I have a SFH off of 157th and Halsey that is Portland and in that particular neighborhood I wouldn't utilize the low barrier screening criteria. However if it was something like the Montavilla neighborhood, 82nd and Glisan I might. However for the most part I utilize a Property Management company and they take the worry out for me.

  • Multifamily Syndicator · Houston, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Yes, I read about that ordinance and thought that is super interesting. 

    With these regulations, I think landlords would have to try to adapt and see how this can be a plus for them. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Portland, OR · Member since 2019 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Depends, in any case, I'd keep your standards up and either:

    1) Lower rent or

    2) Concessions

    Bad tenants can cost a lot more than a couple of months lost rent.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Kirk Johansen 3 west of 60th. Might be better off in Rockwood managed units and let anyone in. We are retired enjoying SS. I highly recommend SS! I knew having a job would pay off someday.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Ola Dantis at this point hard to know if the smart money has already left the state for Idaho. People still on their way out. Young ones smart with tech like @Kurt Lane capitalizing on the confusion the older players are experiencing and can pick up a few places from tired LL's. Not quite there yet but... 

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    So no low barrier for you @Steve Morris. Interesting in my quest for clarity some absolutely no low barrier, some close and some totally. 

  • Property Manager · Portland, OR · Member since 2020 · 50 posts · 39 votes
    5y

    Thanks @Jeff S. I've been teaching classes for RHA about local and state ordinances. I do the same for brokerages throughout the area via title companies. Chroma is also set up as a CE provider. We manage around 70 properties currently. 

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