Please tell me what you think!

Please tell me what you think!

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Thank you all in advance. Here is the scenario:

Duplex, ~1800 sq foot total, built 1930s. New roof, 2 car garage with divider. Decent neighborhood.

Unit A: 2 bed 1 bath (partial finished basement with second bedroom), well cared for, no immediate updates needed. Central air. Has all appliances, working. Tenant is section 8, renting for ~450/month. According to tenant, has "absolutely no plans to move" and is "in good health". 

Unit B: 1 bed 1 bath with unfinished basement. No current tenant. Needs complete remodel including new windows, has window air only. 

After casual back and forth between our agent and theirs, it seems ~$85000 would take it. We have obtained estimates for complete upstairs remodel including paint, flooring, all new bathroom, windows, appliances, central air for $13,100.

Numbers:

85000 for duplex + ~1400 closing (after split 50/50 per agent recs), + 13,100 remodel = $99,500 total

25500 (down payment at 30%) + 13100 = ~38600 required up front

395.85 (P&I at 7%) + 180.36 (CapEx after remodel) + 222 (tax, insurance, vacancy monthly) = 798.21/month expenses

Anticipated rent: Unit A = ~450 (hoping for section 8 revaluation if become owners), Unit B (after remodel) ~600 = $1050/month

Final Numbers: ~250/month cash flow, 8% cash on cash, 3% cap rate

My questions:

1. Our small real estate company is just getting into this business and we are wanting a relatively low risk, modest reward property to get our feet wet. Although, in my opinion, 85 is just a tad high, it cash flows decent at this amount and serves an a good intro property. Thoughts?

2. How difficult is it to appeal for increased section 8 rent? My search so far has revealed mix results.

Again, thank you for your input!

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Investor 路 Kansas City, MO 路 Member since 2017 路 791 posts 路 1k+ votes
8y
Originally posted by @Eric Adobo:

We are supposed to be supportive.

 Not when peoples livelihoods and careers are at stake. We should be honest above being supportive. 

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  • Realtor 路 Oakland, CA and a Real Estate Investor with Multi-Family Units and a Self Storage Facility 路 Member since 2016 路 2k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    8y

    What city is this in?

    You need to be sure you are getting at least that $600 on that second unit.

    Youre paying essentially $100,000 and will get "hopefully" $1,050/mo in rent.   That's barely 1 percent rule. Not to throw shade on what you're doing, but you can buy a duplex,....move in ready probably in Cleveland (like I do now), Columbus, Philly, Memphis or KC that already has tenants in it for $85,000 and has gross rents of $1,200 to $2,200 in a decent neighborhood.

    I'm not an agent but probably plenty here on BP that can help you out with that.

  • Rental Property Investor 路 Cleveland, OH 路 Member since 2018 路 21 posts 路 8 votes
    8y

    What are the market rent values on each unit? Without section 8? 

  • Member since 2018 路 509 posts 路 211 votes
    8y

    I think you don't lose 馃挵 on this deal. 

    How much you might make depends on your mgmt skills. 

    TurnOver is a drag on these. 

  • Investor/Accountant/Builder 路 Meno, OK 路 Member since 2014 路 1k+ posts 路 918 votes
    8y
    Too slim for me. You need to buy the duplex for $50,000. Renting for $500/side.
  • Investor 路 Kansas City, MO 路 Member since 2017 路 791 posts 路 1k+ votes
    8y

    Bad deal. 

  • Member since 2018 路 509 posts 路 211 votes
    8y

    We are supposed to be supportive.

  • Investor 路 Kansas City, MO 路 Member since 2017 路 791 posts 路 1k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Eric Adobo:

    We are supposed to be supportive.

     Not when peoples livelihoods and careers are at stake. We should be honest above being supportive. 

  • Investor 路 Columbus, OH 路 Member since 2016 路 25 posts 路 7 votes
    8y

    Bad deal in my opinion. Only if your strategy is appreciation, then it depends on your ARV.

  • Real Estate Broker 路 Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH 路 Member since 2013 路 30k+ posts 路 20k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Austin Fruechting:
    Originally posted by @Eric Adobo:

    We are supposed to be supportive.

     Not when peoples livelihoods and careers are at stake. We should be honest above being supportive. 

     I'm just here to party.

  • Professional 路 Delaware, OH 路 Member since 2017 路 51 posts 路 39 votes
    8y

    I wouldn't touch a 3 cap in any market.

  • Investor 路 Cleveland, OH 路 Member since 2017 路 18 posts 路 13 votes
    8y

    That is a lot of capital with little return.. I'm with Cheryl and I wouldn't touch it. Dont give up!! There are a lot of great cash flowing deals in Cleveland! 

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