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All Forum Posts by: Andy Thoman

Andy Thoman has started 12 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: Driving for dollars? What do you look for?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6

I'm new to REI. I'd like to use some spare time to look around to see if I see any vacants or other probable properties. What do you all look for when doing this?

what are the best guides or blogs to read about this?

Post: How to estimate closing costs?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Tarcisio Mora:

For the most part closing costs are usually between 2-5 percent.

 How do you come up with that number? I thought that closing costs are usually flat fees associated with the loan, escrow, and title company?

Wouldn't that mean that a $40k house and a $500k house have substantially different closing cost percentage of the total price?

Or do lenders and title companies usually charge a percentage of the total purchase price?

Post: How to estimate closing costs?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6

What are all the costs I can expect on having during closing and how can I figure out normal prices or estimate what it might be?

I want to figure out a ballpark estimate of closing costs before I analyze properties so I can take closing costs into consideration ahead of time to see if its worth it to act on a property or not. How do you go about estimating and ultimately finding real closing costs?

Post: do people find deals on the MLS?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6

Do many people here utilize the MLS to find deals?

If you do, what strategy are you using it for (BRRRR, Flip, buy and hold, etc)?

Also, when you find a deal, do you have your own agent to feed you deals? Or do you just browse the MLS?

If you didn't have an agent and wanted to make an offer, would you hire a broker or would you just use the listing agent to handle the offer for you?

Post: How to make an offer without agent?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Natalie Schanne:

Andy Thoman - How did you find the deal? If it's on MLS or Realtor com, you can use the seller's agent to write up your offer and act as a dual agent. Note this person will not work for you or in your favor. You'd be better off hiring a rebate broker who would give you a % of the buying commission back, because the seller is under contract to pay it anyway. Usually. Unless there's competition for the deal and sometimes the seller's agent represented Buyer just happens to know the right amount to bid...

If you found it off market and you’re doing a deal directly, you can find many examples of real estate agreement of sale contract documents online. Or you can use your previous in state Realtor contracts as a guideline.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

 I don't currently have a deal lined up, but I want to be prepared for when I find one so I can act on it. I'm mostly thinking about when making offers on things off market.

If I were to do the rebate broker scenario, where would I go about finding a rebate broker to hire? What is a rebate broker?

Post: How to make an offer without agent?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6

I have only ever used an agent. So if I wanted to make a formal offer without an agent, what do I need to do?

What documents do I use? Where can I get those documents? What do I fill out ahead of time/with the seller?

Do I just email/mail/deliver a document with my offer and a cover letter?

Post: What is the actual purchase process?

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6

I've never bought any real estate aside from my residence that I used a agent in. So when I bought it, the agent basically lined everything up.

However, I am wondering what the process is if I wanted to do it without an agent.

Say that I already have a signed agreement by both parties for a property. What are my next steps (commonly)?

1). Who sets up the wire transfer-can I do it myself? 

2). Who sets up the escrow account? 

3). What documents need to be signed?

4). Who does the deed transfer, and how?

Any steps I am just overlooking?

How can i figure out how much of my payments are going towards interest and principal?

I found an online calculator for finding my monthly payments, but how do I know how much each month is for interest?

For example, for simplicity sake if I had a loan for 100k at the interest rate of 5% over 30 years. My calculation says the monthly payment will be 536.82. How do I know how much of that is interest and principal? Is it just even each month? 

Over 30 years it would be total cost of $193,255.78. So the total amount of interest paid was $93,255.78. Are my assumptions correct on that on how the interest is paid?

However, I understand that earlier you are mostly paying interest. So how do I know for each month is interest and how much is principal?

I think the financial side of this makes plenty of sense. However, I'd be concerned on a theological side. It'd be very hard to figure out all the ethical dilemmas up front.
That being said, I think you could implement a system for this. Most churches already have systems for giving money to people in need. The rental system could be similar. 

You often mentioned that this could be a great outreach avenue. I agree, but I'm just curious, in what ways do you see it being an outreach? When I think of this, I immediately think of providing affordable housing for people who normally cant find a place. Or renting it out to another non-profit like to be a half-way house or a shelter for victims of abuse?

All that being said, you also have to think of the sort of message this sends to your congregation. What sort of theology does this teach? I think it could easily teach people to be less generous, because instead of giving towards the mission - they see it as a business that should make its own money for upkeep.
Theologically speaking, I think this could teach your congregation the very opposite of what you want them to think of when they think of their relationship to giving...

All that said, I do not think this is a bad idea - those are just a few concerns I have. (Speaking from the perspective of someone who works in full time vocational ministry).

Post: Help understanding leveraging debt

Andy ThomanPosted
  • Oshkosh, WI
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @John Leavelle:

@Andy Thoman

Isn't this risky?

All investing is risky!  Taking a conventional mortgage on a rental property is risky.  If you do not know your market or how to correctly analyze the financial numbers then you can totally lose your shirt or go bankrupt.  Many investors have. 

What if rehab costs too much or if the house doesn't rent?

Rehab costs can be a major reason deals turn south. That why it is essential you understand how to correctly estimate those repairs. Or have a reliable contractor to do it for you. I always include an extra 20% in my Rehab budget to cover those unexpected issues that always seem to pop up. I also keep a 5% buffer in my overall financial plan. I try to keep my All-in cost basis (Purchase price, Rehab costs, Holding and Closing costs) within 70% of the expected ARV. I anticipate receiving a Cash-out Refinance loan that is 75% LTV. The 5% difference should help cover if my Rehab cost go over budget or if the bank appraisal come in lower than planned.

You better research your intended market to understand the types of tenants, rental market, and vacancy rates.  I start advertising the property well before it is even ready to occupy.  If it doesn't rent, lower the rate until it does or sell it.

I assume maybe that risk has more to do with whether one finds a "good" deal or not.

Yes, it depends on whether it is truly a good deal. But you must understand "HOW" to analyze those deals. Always stay conservative with your numbers and you will have a better chance of avoiding "Bad" deals and less risk.

What is the risk in this? If you cannot pay the HELOC off, then can they foreclose on your house?

The simple answer to your question is YES, the lender can foreclose.  However, there are many steps that can and should be taken before it comes to that.  First of all you are only required to make interest only payments on each amount you draw from your HELOC.  once you reach the 10 year mark you start paying both Principle and Interest on those amounts.  If you are not making those payments the lender will eventually put you into the collection process.   Many use HELOC's in their investing (myself included).  Just like all forms of credit you just need to be responsible in the way you use it.

Also, why would I want to use a HELOC instead of a refinance initially? Are there any benefits of the HELOC over the refinance?

In your example for both situations you will have access to ruffly the same amount of cash. The refinance loan will have a lower interest rate in most cases. However, the cash obtained can only be used once. A HELOC can be reused as many times as you need. The Refinance loan requires more paperwork, increases you mortgage payment, and takes longer to process. I use both in my investing. I use a Private lender loan to purchase properties, my HELOC to do the Rehab, and a Refinance loan to payoff the original loan and get all my cash back (paying off the HELOC). Then I do it again. Hence BRRRR strategy.

If you are leary of this kind of risk then perhaps you should pursue a safer, less profitable, investment.

What do you mean that HELOC funds can be reused?
If I refinance and get 15k cash or if I use a HELOC and get 15k cash, I still only have 15k. How would I be able to reuse it?

If I understand right I think this is how it works..?

If I refinance, I get 15k. I spend that 15k, then if I want that money, I'd have to pay off the loan and take out a new refinance mortgage.

If I use a HELOC, I get 15k. I spend that 15k, then if I want that money, then if I want that I'd still have to pay the principle off and get 15k back?

With the HELOC, am I essentially just saving on paying refinance fees all the time?

So if I used a HELOC, I could pay it off so I wouldn't have interest accrued on anything. But if I found another deal in 6 months, I could just pull that money out without going through any new paperwork or fees?


An additional question I have. Do banks give both mortgages and HELOCS on homes giving me a higher LTV amount for more cash? Or do I have to choose one or the other essentially?

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