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All Forum Posts by: Austin Fowler

Austin Fowler has started 54 posts and replied 241 times.

Post: Is anyone still expanding the portfolio of STRs?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Rosston Smith:

My company is currently expanding our cohosting model. 

Isn’t cohosting similar to property management where you do not own the underlying asset? Does your company own short-term rentals?

Post: Is anyone still expanding the portfolio of STRs?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Tyler Divin:

The deals I'm seeing that work are twofold...basically a house flip into STR. One example is an older, dated home that has been on the market with multiple price reductions. Maybe it has a pool and a large yard where amenities can be added. Perhaps it has an unfinished basement that can be finished. Maybe it's a small cabin where you can add a huge porch with a hot tub, daybeds, hammocks, and bar seating. I'm not seeing any turnkey STRs that would cash flow. It seems common for those to have an asking price with a 10% gross revenue to purchase price ratio, which is a recipe for losing money, except for the best 1-3 months of the year.

With what frequency do you see deals like this that will be worthy of acquiring? What fraction of the deals that you think would be worthy of acquiring do you actually acquire? What limits the expansion of your portfolio?

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @James Hamling:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches


 $3k at $400k is hard, but possible. Have some higher, some lower, but mainly higher. You'll still have tenant issues, maintenance, etc. To think it'll be all roses is just naive. Fortunately have PMs, AI agents, etc.

With $10 mil continue to be focused on properties in Austin, and Phoenix. Doesn't change for me on the personal portfolio.


$1mil folks worry about protecting their wealth. $10mil folks focus on growing their wealth. But to get to the latter, you usually have to go through the former. Majority of this board shouldn't be focused on this problem though. Think it's just to sniff out potential investors for OPs fund.

Hi V.G., the goal is to encourage actual real estate experts, actual people that operate at this scale, to share techniques that work at this scale and help educate people to head in that direction as well. If you anyone wants to operate at this scale, they need to focus on learning techniques that work at this scale. When it comes to building wealth, you can waste decades of your life learning labor intensive techniques and building a portfolio that simply doesn't scale.

I "operate" with more "scale" than 99% of BP.

And I'm telling you 99% needs to stop being obsessed with scale. And start being obsessed with diligence. 

 You're getting it right from the horse's mouth, yet still want to push this point. It's missing the forest for the trees. You're trying to scale by acquiring outside capital, I get it. Go do that in a proper form.

Totally agree with a need for everyone to be obsessed with due diligence. For example, when I acquire an asset, it is a month+ long process involving hundreds of people doing group due diligence trying to find holes in the deal and learning more about it before anyone invests. It's an approach anyone can use. I disagree with the philosophy that there are some special people that use special techniques that are amazing and can't even be explained, and then a majority of average people that should stick with average techniques that don't scale. There are good investment techniques that anyone can use that are scalable. One example of such a technique is doing extensive group due diligence on passive multifamily. Another is simply cash or an index fund, neither of which chew up your time and scale arbitrarily. This thread is all about identifying scalable techniques that anyone can use. Or just interesting techniques that people have used at scale. Working together as a community to educate each other.

Scalability is easily and readily available for the vast majority, scalability is not the issue for most. 

The issue for most is how limited their investment capitol is, the massive return expectations being sought, over an exceptionally short time-span. 

Many seeking parabolic, unrealistic, compounding returns. Which are not really returns, as so many are actually seeking full income replacement via the "investing". 

To boot, adding in the riders of things such as "passive", "low risk" and "certain"...... 

To be fair Austin, you as a syndicator are hacking the scalability via syndication, O.P.M.. Most are not capable, willing or interested in raising O.P.M. to scale and thus a natural limiter of there investible capitol. 

Remove your LP capitol, you would not be at the size you are, correct? No syndicator would. So it's not fair to pretend it's the deals that make scalability alone. It is possible but it is very rare, exceptional and non-ordinary for such. 

For the vast majority who are measuring their investible capitol in the tens of thousands, while balancing a FT career, a family, life in general, yes it is rare skills and talents to find, analyze and execute on profitable investments at any kind of regularized interval. And in those early steps, the outlay of capitol far outstrips the returns for years or decades limiting any reasonable expectation of scalability. 

In my experience the primary focus for most is not on scalability but on certainty to achieve financial freedom. Which is often defined as a passive income about matching to current active income levels. 

For most the only scalability that matters is how to get to their ends. I often see a correlation that this is meet for most between 20-40 SFR's.

For many, scaling beyond that is just added work, and no longer "freedom" as was the entire intent from start, financial freedom, not an occupation change. 

Hi V.G.,

> Scalability is easily and readily available for the vast majority, scalability is not the issue for most.

When it comes to scalability, I set the bar high. I want to be able to handle a very great deal of capital deployed in a lot of assets while basically on holiday. Using this perspective, to my eyes many people spend a great deal of time working real estate investing techniques that are not scalable. Passive multifamily is the most scalable technique I currently use, and I could use my exact due diligence process to easily handle $100M without changing how I operate. Just bigger checks into the deals I find.

> In my case, The issue for most is how limited their investment capitol is, the massive return expectations being sought, over an exceptionally short time-span.

So how about we focus on discussing how to solve capital limitations in a way that is doable by anyone?

> Many seeking parabolic, unrealistic, compounding returns. Which are not really returns, as so many are actually seeking full income replacement via the "investing".

I don’t work a W-2 anymore. My investing covers all of my expenses and was sufficient to add $2.5M to my net worth over the last 12 months. Full income replacement is definitely achievable.

> To boot, adding in the riders of things such as "passive", "low risk" and "certain"......

> To be fair Austin, you as a syndicator are hacking the scalability via syndication, O.P.M..

I don’t run syndications. I do invest in other people syndications. I have no desire to be a GP on a multifamily syndication with all of the responsibilities and duties that come with it.

> Most are not capable, willing or interested in raising O.P.M. to scale and thus a natural limiter of there investible capitol.

Here I disagree. I think most people just don’t know how to go about it. I have helped hundreds of people learn how to raise capital for their own investing. I have helped quite a number of people start their own SEC registered managed funds. And there is an awful lot you can do with a lot less than this. It’s knowledge that people need.

> Remove your LP capitol, you would not be at the size you are, correct?

Correct.

> No syndicator would. So it's not fair to pretend it's the deals that make scalability alone.

The multifamily deals I focus on are not mine, and from a return point of view are nothing off the charts, the general target is around 20% per annum. And no, it’s not the deal that gets you to huge scale, it is definitely learning how to raise capital. And that is something anyone can learn, and the only way to get to great wealth in a lifetime.

> It is possible but it is very rare, exceptional and non-ordinary for such.

Agreed it is not about the deal, it is about learning how to access capital efficiently. And that is a teachable skill.

> For the vast majority who are measuring their investible capitol in the tens of thousands, while balancing a FT career, a family, life in general, yes it is rare skills and talents to find, analyze and execute on profitable investments at any kind of regularized interval. And in those early steps, the outlay of capitol far outstrips the returns for years or decades limiting any reasonable expectation of scalability.

So you share the load. You don’t try to do all of the deal due diligence yourself. You do it in a group where some (even most) people can even passively ride on the due diligence of others. You don’t try to reinvent the wheel when it comes to learning how to raise capital, you leverage free tools that already exist.

> In my experience the primary focus for most is not on scalability but on certainty to achieve financial freedom. Which is often defined as a passive income about matching to current active income levels.

Financial freedom requires passive investments at scale. Speaking from experience.

> For most the only scalability that matters is how to get to their ends. I often see a correlation that this is meet for most between 20-40 SFR's.

I would argue that self managing so many single-family rentals is a burden. I’m in that range with managed rentals, and I would say that this is definitely not enough for the level of financial freedom I wish to have, even if they were all paid off, which they aren’t.

> For many, scaling beyond that is just added work, and no longer "freedom" as was the entire intent from start, financial freedom, not an occupation change.

Agreed, but to say the same thing a different way, there are more profitable and more passive investments than single-family long-term rentals.

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Chris Howell:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
Quote from @Chris Howell:

@Austin Fowler

ive been in heavy rehab Single family for 22+ years started flipping then kept as long hold rentals after 2008 I am in those properties 60 to 70% LTV on average because of in house rehab and team of trusted subs. Ive have experience builing homes and rehabbed commercial properties but haven't yet taken on a multi-family property yet. But its logical next step for me to scale and if I had 10 million that would be the way to make very nice return for monthly income.

If the logical next step is to scale, what is your current plan to do so?

My plan to scale is take my equity in my single families and roll into an apartment complex poorly managed and that needs updated interiors and not just paint but pretty extensive unit up grades which me and my team can complete at 40 to 60% below market prices to bring max rents in or to bring in some outside capital get asset stabilized and increased the properties margins and noi then refinance and payoff outside capital and keep property at LVT at 65% to 75%.
Will have a very tight buy box always been pretty conservative investor.   
When you say "take my equity in my single families" do you mean refinance them and pull out cash or something else? When you say bring in outside capital, would you do this as debt or equity? What kind of deal do you think you would need to offer to attract the necessary capital?

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Austin Fowler:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches


 $3k at $400k is hard, but possible. Have some higher, some lower, but mainly higher. You'll still have tenant issues, maintenance, etc. To think it'll be all roses is just naive. Fortunately have PMs, AI agents, etc.

With $10 mil continue to be focused on properties in Austin, and Phoenix. Doesn't change for me on the personal portfolio.


$1mil folks worry about protecting their wealth. $10mil folks focus on growing their wealth. But to get to the latter, you usually have to go through the former. Majority of this board shouldn't be focused on this problem though. Think it's just to sniff out potential investors for OPs fund.

Hi V.G., the goal is to encourage actual real estate experts, actual people that operate at this scale, to share techniques that work at this scale and help educate people to head in that direction as well. If you anyone wants to operate at this scale, they need to focus on learning techniques that work at this scale. When it comes to building wealth, you can waste decades of your life learning labor intensive techniques and building a portfolio that simply doesn't scale.

I "operate" with more "scale" than 99% of BP.

And I'm telling you 99% needs to stop being obsessed with scale. And start being obsessed with diligence. 

 You're getting it right from the horse's mouth, yet still want to push this point. It's missing the forest for the trees. You're trying to scale by acquiring outside capital, I get it. Go do that in a proper form.

Totally agree with a need for everyone to be obsessed with due diligence. For example, when I acquire an asset, it is a month+ long process involving hundreds of people doing group due diligence trying to find holes in the deal and learning more about it before anyone invests. It's an approach anyone can use. I disagree with the philosophy that there are some special people that use special techniques that are amazing and can't even be explained, and then a majority of average people that should stick with average techniques that don't scale. There are good investment techniques that anyone can use that are scalable. One example of such a technique is doing extensive group due diligence on passive multifamily. Another is simply cash or an index fund, neither of which chew up your time and scale arbitrarily. This thread is all about identifying scalable techniques that anyone can use. Or just interesting techniques that people have used at scale. Working together as a community to educate each other.

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Chris Howell:

@Austin Fowler

ive been in heavy rehab Single family for 22+ years started flipping then kept as long hold rentals after 2008 I am in those properties 60 to 70% LTV on average because of in house rehab and team of trusted subs. Ive have experience builing homes and rehabbed commercial properties but haven't yet taken on a multi-family property yet. But its logical next step for me to scale and if I had 10 million that would be the way to make very nice return for monthly income.

If the logical next step is to scale, what is your current plan to do so?

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches

Hi Gregory, I currently own 32 long-term rentals and they are all managed by property managers but even then there are enough annoying tasks that I don't plan to increase the number of long-term rentals. From renewing rental licenses, to renewing insurance, to approving major repairs, to pulling the trigger on evicting someone, long-term rentals, while sometimes these and other tasks are handled hands off, in other cases the properties do demand some of your time even when you have a property manager. In my case, when it comes to investing larger amounts of money, it's all passive multi-family. Higher returns and more hands off if you know how to choose deals well.

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

Take $20M, pick up 50 single-family homes at ~$400k each. Rent them at $3k, net about $2k per door. That’s $100k/month in cash flow, plus appreciation. Low-maintenance properties, low-drama tenants, simple portfolio. It’s not flashy, but it’s clean, seats enough to self mange (for the REPS tax benefits), and lets you live well without headaches


 $3k at $400k is hard, but possible. Have some higher, some lower, but mainly higher. You'll still have tenant issues, maintenance, etc. To think it'll be all roses is just naive. Fortunately have PMs, AI agents, etc.

With $10 mil continue to be focused on properties in Austin, and Phoenix. Doesn't change for me on the personal portfolio.


$1mil folks worry about protecting their wealth. $10mil folks focus on growing their wealth. But to get to the latter, you usually have to go through the former. Majority of this board shouldn't be focused on this problem though. Think it's just to sniff out potential investors for OPs fund.

Hi V.G., the goal is to encourage actual real estate experts, actual people that operate at this scale, to share techniques that work at this scale and help educate people to head in that direction as well. If you anyone wants to operate at this scale, they need to focus on learning techniques that work at this scale. When it comes to building wealth, you can waste decades of your life learning labor intensive techniques and building a portfolio that simply doesn't scale.

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Gregory Schwartz:

All on black. Please and thanks. It's in God's hands now. 

Okay, now you have a slightly less than 50% chance of having $20M assuming you could find a place that would take a single bet at this level. What would you do with $20M?

Post: If you had $10M, how would you invest it?

Austin Fowler
Posted
  • Investor
  • Reseda, CA
  • Posts 274
  • Votes 139
Quote from @Chris Howell:

I would put about 5 million in heavy rehab apartment complex with no debt and hit about   15%+ return and then put 2 million into super safe 4% return CD and  1.25 million into stocks, gold, bitcoin.  750k into a syndication that says they give 20% return.  500k as an angle investor in a new company.  250k into money market savings account and 250k invested in my mental health!!!  (AKA wasted on vacations) 

Hi Chris, is heavy apartment rehab an area you have worked in before? Would love to hear about some of your prior experience in this area.

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