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All Forum Posts by: Mike Terry

Mike Terry has started 38 posts and replied 263 times.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @Don Konipol:

I don’t care if a poster is offering a service or product (for money) and provides an answer in a forum IF (1) he answers the question honestly (2) he answers only those questions he’s qualified to answer (3) the answer isn’t always to purchase his offering and (4) he takes the time to be a participant, not just a “bot” pushing his offering.  Oh, yeah, he also identifies his “bias” as full disclosure.

The biggest “annoyances” to me are

1- people with 1-3 posts aggressively supporting some guru and attacking people posting negative experiences with said guru

2- people pushing their offering only and not engaging in any other discussions

3- people participating in forums with a “hidden” agenda or undisclosed bias.

4- people asking simple questions the answers to which can be easily obtained with a Google search that they’re too lazy to work

5- salespeople that disguise their product to look like something else, fudge the "numbers" to show an inaccurate comparative return, name the offering "infinity (something) and claim it eliminates taxes, provides liquidity, replaces your banking institution, and creates a "wealth cycle" in a formula used by from Rockefeller to Musk. And all you've got to do is get a HELOC and pay all your expenses from the HELOC account rather than your checking account.
 

Thank you for your reply @don konipol The forums are one thing, like most social meia you have to sort through the 80% crap to find the 20% value. My biggest concern is when the questionable and possibly dangerous advice is coming from Bigger Pocket's employees.  I think the platform has a responsibility to provide qualified knowledgeable and tested financial advice.  That expectation was formed over my decade of listening to the podcast.  I don't believe this is the case anymore and the balance has shifted to the personalities giving advice to promote and recommend their own business for their own benefit.  Maybe it is not wrong, but it is definetly a shift in values of the greater organization.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @David M.:

@Mike Terry Yeah, isn't this all about making money?  Now 75% of the posts here are all "up-sell" telling newbies asking questions to just "keep going."  I feel sorry for some of the OP asking questions and then, apparently, getting pummeled with messages with people trying to sell them something (sigh).

 Thank you for your response @David M.  Eventually the usefullness of the site and the brand will be diminished. 

Post: Starting Out.... Is a mentor really worth it?

Mike Terry
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I read and listened my way through the novice REI stages. I would absolutely hire professionals along your journey ( ie lawyers, CPA), but to dip your toe in the water, why pay a guru. I think your instincts are spot on. Gain free knowledge and then act. You will learn and improve. It doesn't have to be sink or swim. Good Luck!

Post: First post and ready to buy! What do you think of my strategy?

Mike Terry
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Quote from @Paul Tan:

Finally got my headshot uploaded so I no longer have to lurk around the forums! XD

What are your thoughts on Starting Small (Cashflow) vs Going Big (Equity)?


Since I will invest in the Augusta, GA, I'm trying to figure out what strategy to take for the next 3-5 years. Here's the facts:
- I'm pre-approved for $330K but I can push it to $450K if I really need
- $10K-$20K Saved for down payment. $10K Saved for renovations
- Saving $800-$1400 every month
- I have access to the VA loan

(*preferred) Strategy #1: $100K-$200K purchase. ~$1000 Mortgage. Rent for ~$1000. Rinse/repeat once I can ReFi for 75% ARV. 1031 in 5 years.
Strategy #2:
Buy a SFH in a subdivision for $300K+, waiting until I have enough cash/equity and buy again. HODL.

Here are my pros and cons for each:

### $100K-200K ### <-- More Active Investment
Pros
- Higher Price to Rent Ratio
- Fast turnaround to purchasing next property (6 month before ReFi)
- Value Add repairs can improve house value a lot
- 3-4+ purchases in 5 years = More Learning Opportunities/Networking

Cons
- Higher Risk of Bad Tenant
- Maintenance Repairs
- Lemon Purchases

### $300K+ ### <-- More Passive Investment
Pros
- More equity to draw from down the road
- Good Neighborhood
- Family Tenants are safer

Cons
- Higher Operational expenses (Taxes, Insurance)
- HOA Limitations
- Typically recent builds/renovations so not much room for Rehab
- 1-2 purchases in 5 years = Fewer Learning Opportunities

I know that there is no one solution. Also, specific advice depends on me providing more details. But I always like to hear more new perspectives! So hit me with everything you've got!


 I have two thoughts when starting out.  From the movie the Patriot "Aim Small Miss Small".  Both startegies will most likely work.  I presume you are young with a lot of years ahead of you. Time will heal most real estate mistakes.  That being said I would cut your teeth on small manageble deals.  You will make mistakes and you won't truly understand some of the theory shared here until you actually live it.  So why gain experience with maximum risk.  For young people the live in flip and house hacking are the least risky direct investments you can undertake that I am aware of. Look there.  Good luck.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @Mason Liu:

So I was curious and did listen to the podcast where this was mentioned. I believe he made his recommendation under the assumption that the individual with 1.5MM in retirement accounts would wait until the age of 59.5 so that there would not be a 10% penalty in withdrawing from the account. That being said, there would still be income tax liabilities due to withdrawing from the retirement account after 59.5, and a lump sum withdrawal like that would probably lead to being taxed at the highest marginal tax bracket due to it being 1.5MM (this was not mentioned in the recommendations). Also, I do find it interesting how no mention is made to the fact that that retirement account grew to 1.5MM over time probably due to stock appreciation where the individual did not have to touch a thing and probably averaged a healthy, tax-deferred return over decades.

I do agree that the podcast has turned a lot more salesy/pitchy in recent times. That being said, I think it is up to the listener/forum user to be able to critically think about the content they are consuming. Almost every content creator on social media looks to advertise their own brand and products, but that doesn't mean their content is inherently bad. Just have to be able to glean a little bit of benefit from each content source, including BiggerPockets. For example, just because most investors who have been successful on BP did so through Real Estate Investing doesn't mean investing in a 401k or IRA is bad because they said it is. Likewise, investing in a 401k/IRA is probably not the end all be all either.

Thanks @Mason Liu. Thoughtful post. I definetly agree with you BP is not all bad.  That was never my intention to convey that premise. My intention was to note my surprise at some, what I consider. very bad financial advice.  Readers and listeners hear need to be aware that certain BP personalities have become very self interested.  This is a departure from the past.  It was probably always there to some extent, but it is now overt and in your face. I think it is important to note the change especially for any novice investors looking to get started.  I would recommend finding a more altruistic source of information before making decisions based on some information provided here and on the podcast in particular.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Mike Terry:

I love Bigger Pockets. The site and the podcasts have been responsible for my success, be it limited, in my real estate endeavors.  The recent podcast advice stopped me in my tracks as I have started to really question the judgement and advice that is given to very inexperienced investors.  I think it is a good example what the podcast has become.  Not seeing Greene! Now I may have misheard, but I believe the advice was to cash out 1.5MM retirement fund (type unkown) and invest it in two short term rentals.  No consideration of tax implications, the investors experience or aptitude for operating this strategy. I am not sure how someone who is no where near retirement nor having any retirement planning qualifications can suggest such a thing.  I am in the middle of planning my own exit from W2 employment and I am agonizing over finding qualified and unbiased counsel on planning.  It is hard because the financial industry has been so distorted by compensation models.  I feel Bigger Pockets and in particular the real estate podcast has become the same. I know David Greene is smart and he has accomplished things I can only dream of, but The podcast has become his own personal advertising platform frought with self-promotion.  Very few episode don't include plugs for his brokerage business and his mortgage company.  I feel the same way about this as I do financial advisors.  Good advice is secondary to marketing and questionable opinions. 

I wonder if the listener took that advice and sought out David Greene's company to help her buy these assest,as he suggested? As always please consider the source.  Bigger Pockets needs to re-evaluate what they are about.  


 The guy sounds like a moron in terms of smart retirement suggestions. Don't listen to him.. It's a good way to go bankrupt and have a really large tax bill.


 I was thinking that too. in this case if you lose your money the governement still wants theres.  I am sure the David Greene team will still take there cut of commissions on mortage and real estate sales regardless of your risks.  Buyer beware Bigger Pockets does not have your best interests in mind; they have their bottom line and their personalities interests in mind. I don't want to sound like I'm bashing BP.  I just think the readership needs to be aware of the very significant shift in the platforms culture and mission.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Mike Terry

OK I'm curious

'I am in the middle of planning my own exit from W2 employment'

cool - to do real estate?  to do something else?

'I am agonizing over finding qualified and unbiased counsel on planning'

well, it's not going to be on a podcast =)

i took a break from W2 world and one of my biggest struggles was health insurance.  i had questions about the marketplace that not even my CPA could answer.


 Hi Nicholas,

Thank you for your response and questions.  I am looking at doing some real estate on the side and weaning myslef off daily commute to a daily grind job.  I can probably do 3 to 4 flips a year and replace my W2 income and cover Health insurance.

Yes I know, I'm not looking for advice on the podcast, but others are and the advice in this one episode was shocking and scary.  There are great pocasters out there that give much better advive, people like Paula Pant, Joe Saul-Sehay.  I was talking about agonizing over finding good professional advice.  Yes it is amazing how hard it is to get individual advice tailored to your personal situation.

What did you learn about affordable care act when you stepped away from traditional employment?

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Mike Terry:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

It's just advertising at it's core. It's a REI site and it's going to be pushed at any expense.

I mean ****, you don't see much better on the forums. There's threads daily about the nonsensical things people do to be a "REI" at the expense of their actual stress, daily lives, and families well being. There's turnkey providers with predatory 2-year balloon options on houses, one's with 50 1-3 post people show up to support them. Have you dealt with agents on this forum? Horrible and slimy, for the most part. It's just the core of this place, you need to filter through the ******** to really see the best of it. There are great people here and great sources, though.

 Thank you for your response.  I know there is lots of good on this site and in the various podcasts.  I am just disappointed in the tone of the site.  Like everything, the degree of sales vs good advice is nuance.  It is clear to me that it has swung too far and the overall platform is only a shadow of its' former self.


There is no question that the reins have been taken off the mods when it comes to self Promotion
Just look at the Sub to guys virtually every post now is a picture of a spread sheet of one of their deals and of course you to could have a deal like that if you pay them 15k to teach you :)  Not saying the training is not worth 15k very well could be.. but that kind of posts one after another would have never flown a few years back.
Cool huh. Think of it this way, some people learn by hearing, some people learn by reading, some people learn by visual, spreadsheets. I think you understand Subject To but the other 2,000,000 people on this site do not. They need help to understand.

Do people read the loooonnnnggggg posts that people write? Not often.

If you can sum it up in a picture, a spreadsheet and communicate all of that information, why not do it?

And if someone can spend $15k one time and thereby save $80k mutiple times, why is that a problem?  If the savings aren't there, the spreadsheet shows it, Just for an example. ;-)

I get what your saying my point is post like you guys do over and over again in years past would never have been tolerated you would have been admonished by the mods. I know when I first started and did not realize you could not self promote I got my hand slapped a few times. Thats why you dont see me posting on the open forums about my deals were we double our money in a year cash on cash.. or the one I did in Washington state this week were we turned 60k into 115k in 25 days . And its not wholesaling :)   And the point of the original post was how the podcasts have changed and for sure the folks running it back then promoted BP not their personal agendas. But yet again you are able to do a nice self promote off of my mention so your welcome LOL

Essentially the site is a glorified reddit site as it stands now. Lots of ads, really basic questions that can be answered in a simple online search (how to setup a LLC in X as an example...), and self promotion.

What BP has turned into is what most online media is, a "what sells". For example they put out a post yesterday looking for people on the rookie youtube videos. I asked the question (since we are heading towards trouble times), what about experienced investors? Guess what response was?

Why? My assumption is they are chasing people who got rich quick so they can sell the story. 

Quality of the site has diminished significantly. 

 Yes it's sad, but I wonder if out of the ashes comes a new opportunity for experienced investors can connect and network without the BS.I do still think there is value in the site.  I really like the "On the Market Podcast" Dave Meyer has been a welcome addition.  So it is not all bad.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

I have never listened to David Greene so cant comment on it.. I think I was one of the last pod cast with Mr. Dorkin and Mr. Turner.. We were allowed to leave our contact info.. and for sure the pod cast can leap someones career by a lot..

However if its a pitch fest for the those running the podcast then well I agree that would be a little weird unless its their own pod cast not a BP company pod cast.

However its a plum gig for whoever gets it.. One just needs to look at Mr. Turner and the success he has had with ODC and I am fairly certain that being the face/beard of BP for all those years has helped him incredibly with raising capital for his funds.   And really nothing wrong with that one just hopes the funds are successful etc.

We do also have to remember this is entertainment. 


 Thank you for your response.  I understand what it is, too me it is over the top and the shameless slef promotion is a big departure from the original cast and intend of the podcast.  I guess I just need to take it for what it is.  I hope more novice investors can filter through the bad advice.

Post: Did I hear David Greene correctly this morning? Cash out 1.5MM retirement fund?

Mike Terry
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  • Fort Myers, FL
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Quote from @V.G Jason:

It's just advertising at it's core. It's a REI site and it's going to be pushed at any expense.

I mean ****, you don't see much better on the forums. There's threads daily about the nonsensical things people do to be a "REI" at the expense of their actual stress, daily lives, and families well being. There's turnkey providers with predatory 2-year balloon options on houses, one's with 50 1-3 post people show up to support them. Have you dealt with agents on this forum? Horrible and slimy, for the most part. It's just the core of this place, you need to filter through the ******** to really see the best of it. There are great people here and great sources, though.

 Thank you for your response.  I know there is lots of good on this site and in the various podcasts.  I am just disappointed in the tone of the site.  Like everything, the degree of sales vs good advice is nuance.  It is clear to me that it has swung too far and the overall platform is only a shadow of its' former self.