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All Forum Posts by: Cornelius Garland

Cornelius Garland has started 7 posts and replied 316 times.

@Mindy Jensen There are a few ways that I go about locating a vacant property owner or locating the next-of-kin of a deceased homeowner. I'll outline the methods that I use and have had success with. I'll start with the methods that are the easiest and conclude with the more time-consuming methods. 

1. County Tax Assessor's Site: Difficulty Level-Easy

This is by far the simplest way of finding who owns the property. You can use NETR Online to locate your county's tax assessor. This site is free and will have links to your county's public record databases. Alternatively, you can go to Google and type in "Your County AND Property Search". For example, I'd type in "Charleston County Property Search" (without quotes). The assessor site will likely be one of the first couple of search results. Be mindful that if you're in a non-disclosure state then your county may not make certain information accessible online. You might need to submit a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request to receive the information. More often than not, you'll be able to access your county's tax assessor database online. It will indicate who the most-current owner of the property is, but the mailing address may be out-of-date. Typically, whoever pays the tax bill's address will be listed here. If the individual is older, they may have a caretaker managing the property so the mailing address will be the caretaker's, not the actual owner's address. You may get lucky and find that the owner's address is correct and you can send them a mail piece to see if they respond. However, if the property is abandoned and in a dilapidated state, you can almost guarantee that this address will be incorrect. So we need to use more advanced methods to track down the owner.

2. Register of Deeds: Difficultly Level-Easy

If I'm not certain that the address on the tax assessor's site is correct, then I'll do some additional research using the register of deeds. By using the register of deeds, which is also referred to as the county recorder's office, you can view mortgages, power of attorneys, and other real estate-related deed information that might not be available on the tax assessor's site. If your county has the deeds digitized, then you can pull up these records online and there may be an additional address listed here. For instance, your seller may have refinanced on another home they own in the county or taken out a HELOC. The deed will have the homeowner's most-current address on it as of the date of filing. Also, this is a great place to locate relatives. While the homeowner may be the sole owner of your subject property, they may have other properties they own jointly with relatives. At this point, it may be easier to track down a relative who is listed on the deed if you're not having success contacting the seller directly.

3. Free Third-Party Public Data Websites: Difficulty Level-Medium

When you're starting out, money can be tight so this is a way to locate homeowners without having to break the bank. You can likely get 60% of the information you need to get in touch with the owner if you know where to look. There are a couple of sites that I visit that allow me to gather some critical information on the homeowner. One site with accurate data is Family Tree Now. The phone numbers are mostly incorrect on this site, but it's fairly accurate with identifying both relatives and close associates of an individual. I also found that the mailing addresses are mostly updated as well. I used this site a lot early in my career and was able to get in touch with sellers based on the mailing addresses indicated on this site. I use other free sites to cross-reference the information found between the different platforms. I rarely will just look at one source because individually, these websites are weak. If I'm seeing the same address on three of these sites and the address is different from the one listed on the tax assessor, then this may be an indicator that I have the owner's correct address. Another site I use is the free version of White Pages. Here, I'm just checking to see if the address is the same as the one I found on Family Tree Now. Lastly, I will go to Spokeo and search for the individual to see if any of the relatives match what is on Family Tree Now. You don't have to pay Spokeo to see this information. If I'm seeing similar information between the three sites, then I can confidently say that I, at the very least, know who their relatives are. Ideally, I'd like to have an address for the homeowner so I can send them mail piece, but many times your best choice is going to be contacting a close relative. We want to contact a first-degree relative like a father, mother, sister, or daughter, not a cousin or in-law. If you're still not having success tracking down the owner, then you may need to explore some paid options.

4. Skip Tracing: Difficulty Level-Medium

Technically, what I've explained to you in the previous three methods are ways to skip trace. However, I don't truly consider a skip trace complete until you tap into some paid databases in order to get data that is not readily-available to the public. If you plan on locating abandoned property owners consistently, then I would suggest investing in a few quality paid tools. I only recommend this after you've closed some deals because you're going to need to pay monthly fees and sign a contract to access these tools. One thing to note is that not all skip tracing tools are created equally. Most of these tools resell and strip down the information from credit reports. Specifically, if a skip tracing tool doesn't require a site inspection, I would be very suspicious of the accuracy of the data. Examples of these tools that don't require a site inspection but advertise themselves as comprehensive Skip Tracing tools are Been Verified, Spokeo, and White Pages Premium. Anybody can sign up for these tools online and, therefore, the quality of data isn't great. A lot of these cheaper tools are pulling their information from old phone book records, which explains why you are rarely able to get an accurate cell phone number. Landlines are good, but cell phone numbers are even better. The first tool I started out with was TLO, which has alright data. If I skip traced a list of 1,000 leads, I found that I would be able to get phone numbers and updated addresses for about 700 of them. Another one you can check out is Lexis Nexis, which I haven't personally used but I think is pulling the addresses and phone numbers from the same location as TLO. Ideally, you're going to want to go with a tool that pulls directly from the creditors, but most of these tools don't allow investors to access them because their data isn't supposed to be used for marketing purposes. I heard that TLO has recently cracked down on investors using their tool, but you can still get access if you present yourself as a reputable company. It increases your chances of getting access to these tools if you have a commercial office and you can provide a business license. If you can't get access to these tools, then I highly suggest hiring a skip tracer to do a one-off search for you. You shouldn't have to pay more than $10 for a search on one individual. There is no need to hire a private investigator because you're not looking for an in-depth search. All you need is an updated address and a few possible phone numbers for your subject. If you find that the phone numbers and addresses are incorrect, then conduct a search on a close relative.

5. Door Knocking: Difficulty Level-It depends on your personality type. This can be difficult to do if you're an introvert.

The last method I would suggest is to get out and knock on the neighbors' doors. You'd be surprised with what they know about your subject. They also can give you background on the situation so you can be prepared when you speak to the owner. I once knocked on a lady's door in a neighborhood I was farming and she had an entire notebook with every homeowner's phone number, address, and children's names. She was able to connect me with a lot of people I was trying to get in contact with for the longest time. Also, I once conducted a skip trace and located the son of a homeowner and drove three hours from my house and knocked on the son's door unannounced. He admired my effort and gave me his mother's phone number. It turns out that her husband died years back and she became extremely reclusive and afraid to step outside. She was actually an in-house caretaker for an older gentleman who had health problems. The gentleman owned the house and she was still getting her mail sent to the abandoned property, which is why she didn't have an updated address in any of the skip traces that I conducted. I ended up putting the deal under contract and wholesaling it to a buyer on Bigger Pockets.

As you can tell, there is more than one way to locate an individual. Each situation is different and you need to have a "tool kit" of great data sources in order to efficiently locate a homeowner. You don't need to spend a lot of money; you just need to know where to look. Most importantly, you need to realize that this may take considerable effort or it may be as simple as going to one website. I highly suggest that you do some quick due diligence before spending too much time on a search. I always check and see when the property was bought to ensure there's enough equity to make the deal work. I do this by examining when the last sale date of the property was. If it was between 2006-2009, then I can almost guarantee that the property doesn't have enough equity. If the home was bought for more than what the retail sales are going for in the neighborhood, then your seller may not sell at a discount even if they have enough equity. I've ran into several situations where absentee owners bought during this period and paid cash for the home, but they can't get anywhere near what they paid for it so it's in their best interest to hold onto it. I'm not indicating that a seller in this situation won't sell for less, but the likelihood is low. I would probably not move forward with locating the owner in this situation just based on my previous experiences. Also, if you see that the last deed on record was before the 1950s then this is a good indicator that the homeowner may be deceased. You can always attempt to contact the next-of-kin but realize that the property needs to be deeded to a living individual in order for you to purchase the property. For this to occur, all parties involved in the probate process will need to be cooperative. If you find that there are potentially 20 heirs to a home, then I would not spend the time attempting to contact the sellers unless you're experienced with dealing with these situations. These are a few methods I use to locate property owners, and I hope they help you out in your investment journey!

Post: Does the wholesaler pay for title search?

Cornelius GarlandPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Charlotte, NC
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@Jamarr Lee As Rene indicated, if your buyer falls through or you find that the title can't be insured then you'll be stuck with paying this bill. I've had to do this several times, but it was only because I was working in a war zone-like neighborhood. I knew I was incurring a risk with putting some deals under contract. You shouldn't have an issue if you get the deals under contract at a great price, and only then would I order the title search. If I'm hesitant that I can move a property, I wait until I find my buyer before I order the title search. I typically like ordering the search as soon as I get a contract because the closing is extremely quick once I have a cash buyer. Hope this helps.

Post: Direct Mail Criteria For Up and Coming Neughborhood

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Ryan York Definitely here to help, and I hope that I provided some value to you. The developer hasn't gotten to the phase of renovating and developing the properties yet. They're attempting to get up to 100 parcels before they break ground. However, I think the way they're going to structure the deals are to get a percentage of ownership of the properties. If the homeowners don't want to give up any equity, I believe they're going to give them a stipend for repairs in hopes that they'll use it to make the homes presentable. This area is in shambles, but it's pretty much a blank canvas due to the large amount of lots. There hasn't always been this many lots. The children of the original owners didn't want to sell the properties but they also didn't be want to pay high taxes on houses. So what a lot of the owners did was demolish the houses to reduce the taxable value. You can check out 1990 Delaware Ave North Charleston, SC 29405. This was one of the first properties we moved back there. You can use Google Maps to scope out the area to get an idea of what I'm dealing with.

Post: Direct Mail Criteria For Up and Coming Neughborhood

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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@Ray Lai I'm still learning, but I do think I can provide value by writing a book or blog post on BP. Great idea, and I may do that soon. We spent a good portion of the money from our deals back into marketing and just experimenting. A lot of what I do is unconventional and if I have an idea that I may think will work, I try it. Now, this hasn't always worked out well. I've bombed several times.lol. I may need to write a blog post on the time I sent out 5,000 letters to a mortgage-late list that had no equity filters and didn't get a single deal...that was an expensive lesson.

But I've made up for these "failures" by learning from them and making my next campaign better. I hope what I provided to Ryan will help him out because I've literally done what he's attempting to do. Except, I think he's closing on the properties himself; I'm flipping the contracts. The marketing process is the same, though.

Post: Direct Mail Criteria For Up and Coming Neughborhood

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Ryan York I'm marketing to a neighborhood like this in my city; however, I would classify it more as a Class D neighborhood. I've been working this area for about a year and a half and have several suggestions to help you get started. Firstly, most of my deals have been wholesaled to one developer. We've moved about 50 parcels in 16 transactions since late-2015. Their plan is to build on the vacant lots and enter in agreements with the current homeowners who wish to stay in the neighborhood to renovate their homes. If they don't want to give up a significant amount of equity in their homes for the renovation, they at least want to update them on the outside to make the neighborhood more presentable. Their plan is grand and it's wild to think that homes are selling for $15k today but in a couple of years, there will be $200k+ homes. Nobody in my area except for a handful of people know this is happening and it's pretty nice because are buying already knowing that our investment will pay off. There's no speculation or significant risk involved unless we witness another recession on par with 2008.

Regarding the marketing; our first deal came by accident. Most investors avoided this area, but we were new to REI at the time so we unknowingly marketed to all of the bad zip codes. Once we noticed there was interest among a few investors in this area, we developed a comprehensive plan to acquire every vacant lot and home in the area. My first step was to pull a list from List Source of the entire neighborhood. There were roughly 600 parcels and 450 unique property owners. After this, I saturated the area with yellow letters. They worked really well and the older folks liked them. I also suggest skip tracing any returned letters and tracking down the property owners. Our first deal in the neighborhood was a 26-lot deal and all of my letters were returned because the mailing address went to a vacant lot, not the owner's house. So I found the owner's correct address and resent my letter. Also, I suggest using red handwritten font. @Ray Lai can help you out with the direct mail and give you a great rate on yellow letters. It was interesting because this seller stated in the voicemail that he "knew we meant business because red means hot." That was the first time I truly realized the importance in the nuances and psychology of marketing. It may seem small, but just that one detail likely got him to pick up the phone and call us.

My other suggestion is to present yourself as a small-time investor. The reason why we had success and the company wanted to leverage us is because my business partner and I weren't part of a huge corporation. The property owners just viewed us a couple of young men trying to get into real estate. However, they didn't realize we had huge funding partners. You don't want to present yourself as if you're doing a "land grab" and trying to gentrify, even if this is your end-goal. Word will quickly spread and the residents will not do business with you. 

Overtime, you may also may want to create a comprehensive database of all the homeowners and the status of their property. For instance, I have a spreadsheet that indicates which properties were bought as a tax deed and which ones need to go through probate. I also have the condition and status of every home in my spreadsheet. This allows me to quickly sort through the workable deals. If you find that you're running into issues where there are a lot of deceased homeowners or tax deeded properties, I highly suggest doing this. It will take some time to create, but it will also allow you to narrow your marketing. When I did this, it removed about a quarter of the properties, and this freed up a quarter of my marketing budget. At this point, I was able to increase my mailings to bi-weekly instead of monthly mailings.

What you're doing takes consistency but you will benefit greatly if you stick with this and acquire the properties at the right price. Please let me know if you'd like for me to clarify anything I stated!

Post: Looking into my first direct mail.........

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Ray Lai Thanks for the mention, Ray. @Hector Lozano myself and my business partner @Ethan Summers can answer any questions you have. Just shoot us a mention or DM us. I agree with you; a lot of the information on the forums regarding direct mail is outdated and sellers are becoming more savvy. So as investors, we need to update our marketing practices. Like Ray indicated, you can check out some of my posts because I talk about what's worked for me recently and what hasn't. Code violations list is probably your the best list to work off of at your stage.

Post: PROBATE SALES - how do they work?

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Kyle Lopez Anytime, Kyle! Please don't hesitate to mention me on this forum post if you run into any issues. Although, I think Rick H is much more knowledgable in probates than I am.

Post: Fayetteville multifamily market

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Samuel Bavido I lived in Fayetteville for a year (2015-2016) and that was around the time when I started investing heavily. I knew a guy at the REIA that was doing a lot of lease option deals because there just wasn't enough equity in the homes to buy at a significant discount. Regarding the multi-units (and SFRs), I think the issue is too much inventory. It is so cheap to build property in Fayetteville and everybody has a VA Loan so most of these people would prefer new construction over an existing property. Once the military personnel get transferred, they rent their houses out. This causes there to be quite a few rentals on the market and not enough tenants. The ample inventory is also causing the rents to remain low due to competition. The sellers are likely trying to sell high because they overpaid for the property and need to cover the mortgage and their walk away money. This might also explain why you're seeing properties at such a high listing price.

From my understanding of the market, the prices have been consistent and didn't dip too much even during the recession. That's what the gentleman from the REIA explained to me back in 2015. It's a market that I, personally, wouldn't invest in though. You may want to try the Raleigh-Durham area, which isn't too far away from Fayetteville and will likely have more opportunity with less risk.

Post: Multiple Mail Pieces to Same List- How Are you Structuring It

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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@Johnny Kang Absolutely! Just shoot me a message if you want to talk about direct mail, marketing, or just deals in general. Real estate is my life.

Post: Can't Find Home Owners Information To Contact Them

Cornelius GarlandPosted
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  • Charlotte, NC
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@Desmond Williams I agree with the person who said to hire a skip tracer. It shouldn't cost you more than $2.00 to get an updated address and phone number. I wouldn't get hung up on one deal, though. I made this mistake starting out and wasted a lot of time because I "fell in love" with the property even before I spoke to the seller. I would focus on volume and getting several of D4D properties in your database. 

Separately, make sure you check out when the property was bought. If it was between 2006-2009, there's likely no equity. Also, make note of when the last deed on file was. If it was before 1960, you're likely looking at a situation where the owner is deceased. This will save you valuable time if you take these preliminary steps before sending them a letter or cold calling them.