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All Forum Posts by: Chris Ayers

Chris Ayers has started 10 posts and replied 122 times.

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Kevin Hunter:

@Chris Ayers, the 3.5% interest rate is the gem in this whole thing.  You are not going to find a loan even close to that for, what is now, an investment property.  However, you have a decent piece of equity and a solid tenant base.  All things to really heavily weigh.

Have you listened to @Russell Brazil in the podcast he recently did.  He talks about this topic specifically.  It is a great interview, and Russell does a great job talking about using long-term holds for wealth building.  It would be worth your time.  Of note, he is also a realtor licensed in northern Virginia and it would be wise to reach out to him.

I am curious if you can elaborate on the $500 worth of expenses each month. That seems a bit high for a planning factor (25%), but if that is realized cost each month, then that will definitely be something for the folks chiming in to consider......I am hoping that is a planning factor for repairs and CAPEX, and you have been setting aside a bit of that ($250 a month or more) for the unexpected capital expenses. Or is it the HOA that drives the number up to $500?

If my hope above is correct, I would say hold it.  I will not be in the majority here, but I subscribe to the wealth building idea long term.  That will not be the case for everyone, and that is fine, but you have an asset in a competitive market that really weathered the crash in 08 (serves as historical reference), with 68.9% equity after only investing 3K of your own money.  That doesn't include the second closing, when you refi'd, so that would be a consideration as well.

Again, without having all the details, this is my two cents. The things that weren't mentioned could force another answer: HOA, CAPEX reserves, refinance money invested, etc.....

Good luck! 

Kevin, this home is in Burke actually where you're from. 

I did not listen to that one, but I saved it in my "to be watched" queue. 

I said there's $500 difference between rent and mortgage and assuming $250/mo in expenses on previous years of owning the profit is around $250/mo. HOSA is $90/mo which I included in the mortgage already for easy calculating purposes.  

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Igor Messano:

Currently with your $300 cash flow and the $90K in equity you are getting a flat 4% return on that money. That is for me, too low of a return. I also would be very skeptical of the cash flow in the first place. After your mortgage, which I assume is PITI, you are left with $500 per month. No way long term you are only spending $200 per month on maintenance and CAPEX. My guess is that soon you will taking a lot of money out of pocket for some real repairs, especially with the wear and tear of student housing.

I would sell it and give yourself a pat on the back for a couple of years of positive cash flow and increase in equity, and then go and put that equity into other RE investments that give you better returns, and room for your coveted PM fees.

That definitely puts things in perspective Igor. The $200/mo maintenance is what I've been spending short term and CAPEX will definitely hit my in the near future when I need a new roof/HVAC.

Appreciate it. 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Kevin Romines:

Your FHA mortgage has MI on it. Consider refinancing to a Fannie / Freddie mortgage at 80% LTV cash out. Get 40K from the refinance, then use that as your down on the rentals in NC. Your payments on the student rental should be close to the same that you have now, considering your getting rid of mortgage insurance and now you will have 40K to pick up 1-3 more rentals in NC. This will increase your overall net cash flow and give you more tax write offs (depreciation) among others. You will still be getting the mortgage pay down via all your renters and can always use a 1031 whenever you decide to sell.

I'm not sure what property management would be on a student rental, but its possible you could make enough from all the properties that you could now put the student rental in property management and free up your time. More net cash flow, more free time, more write offs. Build proper reserves and all is good from there. 

Didn't mention this but I refinanced shortly after and don't have any MI now. 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Chris Seveney:

Chris Ayers
If you sell try and do a 1031 exchange to avoid taxes on your profits.

In North Carolina can a $400,000 property net more than $2500 a month in rent. I assume it can, if so you will have increased cash flow but would lose out on appreciation in northern Virginia

 Ideally, I would buy 4 homes work 100K each which should bring in 1K per month a piece. 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Dennis Poulsen:

Lots of agents list at 4.5% in the area. Feel free to reach out with any other questions.

 Whom do you use that will list for 4.5%? 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Kristopher Hanks:

@Chris Ayers Sell, and deploy the cash in a higher ROI market. Turn the new property over to a PM and enjoy the time that is now freed up to find more properties to invest in.

 That's what I'm currently leaning towards. Wanted to see if anyone had any compelling reasons to keep it. 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Franco Li:

Your mortgage term is amazing, but it seems like you already had the property for a number of years, so I wonder what large repairs you would need to perform in the long-run. I think:

1. If you can't raise rents on the property, this place doesn't seem too profitable despite the amazing mortgage terms. I say this because you're only pocketing $300/month, and if you have to fix something huge, thats all your profit! Moreover, a month of vacancy will hit you like a knife in the chest w/ that steep mortgage. 

2. If you consider other opportunities, I think there are potentials for higher returns. I would not be too absorbed with the great lending terms, because an 5/7Y ARM can you get that rate if not lower. If you are not familiar, with an ARM, I wrote an article about it and give you more details on why its a good strategy.

3. Perhaps consider pulling out of the property, net around $90K, and see if you can buy THREE more properties that can net you that $3600/home/year. Then you'd be making triple the amount! 

4. Don't get attached. Haha.

Good luck brother.

 Wise words all around. Thanks man. 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:

What to do would be a function of your long term goals. Although, I don't have a crystal ball, no one really is expecting the Northern VA market to dip.

So Option # 5 would be to do absolutely NOTHING, and you would more likely than not be just fine 5 yrs down the road.

 I thought 6% fee was standard. Can you negotiate with seller agents to get it down? 

Post: What should I do with this property?

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58

I need advice of whether or not I should sell, refinance, or HELOC this one rental property. Given that real estate isn't my full time profession, I decided to ask the pros to see what you would do in this situation.

I bought this townhouse in Northern Virginia (hot market) in 2010 as an owner occupied for 306K with a down payment of 3K thanks to a desperate bank who paid closing costs and the first time homeowner tax credit (8K) and a FHA loan at 3.5% down. Lived in it a few years, then decide to buy a new home and convert this to a student rental for a university nearby.

Fast forward to today and what was worth 306K is now worth 400K with a mortgage balance of ~280K.  Mortgage is ~$2000/mo with rent ~$2500 after expenses nets ~$250-300/mo. 

Since this is a student rental, I can't afford to have a PM due to the yearly turnover bc they would essentially eat all my profits so I manage the property which is not too bad, but can be a pain at times. Conversely I have never had a single day of vacancy so there is a trade off to having student housing. 

I do have 2 other homes in North Carolina which are doing very well. I bought these for under 100K and they each pull in ~$300 per month after expenses. This has begun to make me start thinking if I need to change my strategy and use the money in this VA home to purchase more homes in NC. I plan on purchasing many more homes in the NC area in the future.

Options:

1. Should I sell this to net around ~90K after realtors and such and get rid of the landlord lifestyle for a more passive investor role?  Feel like I'm throwing away a gem if I do this since with the university nearby, this should always have renters and appreciate very well. 

2. Should I refinance this home to net ~40K to pull money out of it for purchases. If I do this then I might have a negative cash flow producing property.  Isn't that a big NO NO?  I would also lose my great mortgage terms @ 30yr 3.5% interest rate. 

3. Should I get a HELOC? Since HELOC's are normally 75% LTV I would need to wait a few years to do this since I'm just slightly below that.

4. Am I missing any options? 

Post: Building a Rental Property on Land

Chris AyersPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Warrenton, VA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 58

Brian, Thanks for the input. I'm unfamiliar with the area which is why I wanted to post this on here to get the opinions of others who know more - like yourself.