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All Forum Posts by: Don Konipol

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Post: Please help me!

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Quote from @Logan Stamps:

Hello BiggerPockets Community,

I hope this message finds you well. My name is Logan Stamps, and I am new to the world of real estate investing, specifically virtual wholesaling. I've been immersing myself in various resources to understand the fundamentals and best practices.

One area where I find myself seeking guidance is in building a network remotely. Establishing connections with motivated sellers, reliable buyers, and industry professionals is crucial for success in this field. Given that I'm operating from Bend, OR, I would greatly appreciate any advice or strategies you might have on identifying and connecting with motivated sellers in target markets, building a list of cash buyers interested in virtual wholesale deals, utilizing digital tools and platforms to facilitate virtual transactions, and navigating legal considerations and ensuring compliance across different states.

Additionally, if there are any common pitfalls that beginners should be aware of, I would be grateful for your insights.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I look forward to learning from your experiences and becoming an active member of this community.

Best regards,

Logan S. Stamps

Logan you’re NOT going to want to hear this -

wholesaling real properties is like any other business - it requires knowledge and CAPITAL.  The promotional “come ons” you find on YouTube, books, so called “testimonials” etc just plain isn’t true.

The chance of an inexperienced flipper with little or no capital successfully completing a wholesale deal or deals is about 2%.  The chance of having earned more than minimum wage is about .001%. Worse, “wholesaling” teaches little about INVESTING, and what it does teach is mostly incorrect. 

I know more than a few wholesalers who run successful businesses.  The MINIMUM any of them spent monthly on marketing is $5,000, with the average being over $10,000.  They additionally employ virtual assistants, cold callers, negotiators, and inspectors.  

Unlike 20 years ago the part time wholesaler doing “driving for dollars” can no longer be successful.  There are too many knowledgeable and well capitalized competitors; sellers have access to timely and increasingly accurate valuations, discount brokers exist for sellers with lower price properties, and “ibuyers’ make immediate offers at higher than wholesale pricing.  

More than anything else wholesaling is a commission sales job.  Since in many jurisdictions you are now required to hold a real estate agent/broker license to wholesale, why not just work as a licensed real estate agent if this is what you want to do? 
Where would a person find a negotiator for their team? Some of these positions you mentioned I’m assuming would be easier to hire out than others.  
The two places I know of are people holding real estate license, and commercial debt reduction negotiators. 

Post: Please help me!

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Quote from @Logan Stamps:

Hello BiggerPockets Community,

I hope this message finds you well. My name is Logan Stamps, and I am new to the world of real estate investing, specifically virtual wholesaling. I've been immersing myself in various resources to understand the fundamentals and best practices.

One area where I find myself seeking guidance is in building a network remotely. Establishing connections with motivated sellers, reliable buyers, and industry professionals is crucial for success in this field. Given that I'm operating from Bend, OR, I would greatly appreciate any advice or strategies you might have on identifying and connecting with motivated sellers in target markets, building a list of cash buyers interested in virtual wholesale deals, utilizing digital tools and platforms to facilitate virtual transactions, and navigating legal considerations and ensuring compliance across different states.

Additionally, if there are any common pitfalls that beginners should be aware of, I would be grateful for your insights.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I look forward to learning from your experiences and becoming an active member of this community.

Best regards,

Logan S. Stamps

Logan you’re NOT going to want to hear this -

wholesaling real properties is like any other business - it requires knowledge and CAPITAL.  The promotional “come ons” you find on YouTube, books, so called “testimonials” etc just plain isn’t true.

The chance of an inexperienced flipper with little or no capital successfully completing a wholesale deal or deals is about 2%.  The chance of having earned more than minimum wage is about .001%. Worse, “wholesaling” teaches little about INVESTING, and what it does teach is mostly incorrect. 

I know more than a few wholesalers who run successful businesses.  The MINIMUM any of them spent monthly on marketing is $5,000, with the average being over $10,000.  They additionally employ virtual assistants, cold callers, negotiators, and inspectors.  

Unlike 20 years ago the part time wholesaler doing “driving for dollars” can no longer be successful.  There are too many knowledgeable and well capitalized competitors; sellers have access to timely and increasingly accurate valuations, discount brokers exist for sellers with lower price properties, and “ibuyers’ make immediate offers at higher than wholesale pricing.  

More than anything else wholesaling is a commission sales job.  Since in many jurisdictions you are now required to hold a real estate agent/broker license to wholesale, why not just work as a licensed real estate agent if this is what you want to do? 

Post: Looking for an Excel Template to Simulate Note Loan Investments?

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Hey everyone,

I'm currently exploring note loan investments and looking to take a deeper dive into simulating different scenarios with variables like origination fees, interest rates, and exit fees. What I'm hoping for is an Excel or spreadsheet template that allows me to play around with these variables and, most importantly, calculates the IRR and TIR for each scenario.

Does anyone have a board or Excel sheet they use for this kind of investment simulation? I'd love to share and compare ideas, and possibly improve on my calculations.

Looking forward to your feedback!

The problem with getting TOO much complexity in your analysis, initially, is that you’re guessing as to the inputs; making assumptions based on the possibly unique experience of others; and using historical data that may not hold up well in the future.  Additionally, earning an extra 0.5% on a $100k investment is nowhere near as important as it may be on a $100 million portfolio.

Without knowing your experience, background and financial sophistication it’s very hard to make a recommendation.  But I’d say that unless your knowledge of  mortgage notes is extensive and all encompassing, I’d recommend you obtain a copy of Jimmy Napier’s book “Invest in Debt”.  While it’s last publishing run was over 40 years ago, his knowledge of ways to “work” a note - increase the IRR and ROI of a purchase of a note at a discount - is an eye opener to what is possible.  

Post: Can a “Subject to” Transaction be done SAFELY?

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I've read all the posts providing posters personal opinions based on their experience, knowledge, biases, and specializations within the real estate field.  

The many NEGATIVE opinions, while not changing my mind that sub to CAN be done safely, have opened my eyes to the very real risks involved and the difficulty of structuring the transaction so as to protect all parties; I was also surprised to learn of how many investors have observed unsatisfactory outcomes with these type deals.

So, based on all your feedback, I have come to the following conclusions

1. While subject to. transactions can be done safely, it is most difficult to accomplish in residential transactions where the seller is a homeowner and not an investor. 

2. Full disclosure of the negative consequences (retention of liability without ownership of the asset securing that liability, limitation on credit capacity, etc.) must be provided the seller IN WRITING.

3. ALL parties should be represented by an attorney experienced in real estate

4. Buyers with limited knowledge, experience and capital should not engage in this type transaction

5. A subject to transaction involving commercial property and two professional real estate investors is an appropriate venue for a sub to transaction

6. the buyer should be fully prepared to refinance or payoff the existing loan if it is called due, and should have the capacity to do so.

7. the legal structure and documentation should be prepared by an attorney experienced in subject to transactions.

8. Avoid anybody who was a Pace Morby student


Sub2 is for criminals and con artists. Anyone who comes on these threads and talks about doing Sub2 deals is garbage.


Jim Luv you Bro but your over the top on this one.. 
yeah, I often disagree with Mr Wise, but I LOVE the fact that he unequivocally states his opinion. Even when he implies that I’m “garbage”.  This is the second time I’ve been called garbage in the last 6 months.  The first was by Joe Biden. LOL 

Was it really necessary to inject politics into the conversation, after all, I didn't mention the sociopathic narcissist currently occupying the white house or the chaos he's creating or his running buddy who thinks I'm a parasite.

" ....after all, I didn't mention the sociopathic narcissist currently occupying the white house or the chaos he's creating or his running buddy who thinks I'm a parasite."

Bidens back at the White House ?!!

I wouldn't get all up in arms, I am sure he's just having an "old-timers" episode again one of the wranglers will get him a 10yr old to sniff to coax him out soon enough. 


While Biden certainly wasn't up the task of being President, he didn't have over 100 mental health professionals opine that he is mentally ill.  Nor did he have many of his handpicked advisors such as Rex Tillerson call him "a fuc*ing moron", yet many seemingly intelligent individuals insist that Donald Trump is the greatest businessman who ever walked the face of the earth.  Forgive me if I seem confused.


Is it possible that your confusion may have a source influence from an over-consumption of headlines, and an under-consumption of self search in facts and due diligence? 

I suspect the factual answers, as most things, are found somewhere in the middle.... 


I believe that if you review some of my previous posts, on any topic, my opinion is always based on facts and are not superficial.  My post that started this tangent was that over 100 metal health professionals have opined that Donald Trump is mentally ill, I have yet to read anything that refutes that fact.  I also wrote that Rex Tillerson said Trump is a fuc*ing moron, which is also a fact.  The fact is Donald Trump was insolvent and was saved from bankruptcy, unlike his companies, by his creditors who decided he was worth more to them financially alive then dead.  Then came along Mark Burnett who created this persona of a successful businessman from whole cloth, and the gullible public bought it, probably as a result of what's known in behavioral economics as availability bias.  The fact is he was never that smart, financially or otherwise and his mental acuity has gone steadily downhill.  The fact is, Donald Trump is a sociopath and as such is incapable of feeling things normal people take for granted such a guilt, regret, shame, remorse, fear.  If you're interested, there's a book titled Sociopath, A Memoir by Patric Gagne, an autobiography by a woman self-diagnosed as a sociopath who went on to get her PhD to better understand her condition.  It might give you a better understanding of what may be going on inside Trumps mind.  Also, it's a fact that it is commonly believed by mental health professionals, that these personality traits make sociopaths poor decision makers because they are incapable of understanding or caring about the possible adverse consequences of their decisions.  The fact is he's also a pathological liar, incapable of telling the truth and in many cases unable to even recognize that he's lying.  I really wish that one of you Trump supporters would give me some fact that demonstrates why my opinion of Trump and his policies are wrong or some record of his remarkable achievements.

Well that's just...... Something.... 

It makes me wonder if there is a DSM for persons who believe they are qualified to make psychological diagnosis for a person based solely upon what they have seen or read on that person via selected media. 

Possibly a form of derangement maybe...... Hummmm, yeah it seems to fit the category of a derangement. 

FYI; I'm not a Trump Tribalist sooooo yeah, guess again. 

See it's this that's really pushing people away. The polarized "your with us or else your with THEM" BS. 

I'm the middle. The middle looking on thinking "wow, your psychotic freak outs are NOT winning us over to your side of things". 


I think if you took the time to read my post you would find I relied on the opinions of over 100 mental health professionals, and yes, my own observations, to conclude Donald Trump is mentally ill.  Since you've been unable to respond with anything other than ad hominems, I believe it's time to bring this discussion to an end.



Your comment: "I relied on the opinions of over 100 mental health professionals"

Why @Peter Walther:, I’m surprised at you. You tout professionalism yet you know that not one of those so called “mental health professionals” has ever had even 5 minutes with Donald Trump to make any determination of capacity or intent.

Can you name a few so we can look up their credentials?


I understand that “PW” relied on those same “mental health professionals’ when they determined that Joe Biden was mentally fit to be President. 
Here’s the leftist answer to the rape of the American taxpayer by the left to pay for leftist causes, operations, and anti American propaganda

1. Trump is Hitler
2. Trump is Mussolini 
3. Trump is Stalin
4. Musk is a racist
5/ Musk wasn’t born in America
6. Musk gets government payments so he shouldn’t be allowed in government 
7. Trumps ratings are declining
8. Hold up “bingo” signs
9. Transgendered lives are being endangered by not allowing trans men to compete in women’s sports
10. Egg prices are high

NOTHING about the fraud, outrageous grants (Stacy Adam’s was granted $2 BILLION for a NGO with assets of $500! and NO experienced people on the board of directors) or plain waste is ever ADDRESSED.  

BUT, I agree with one thing PW said, it is time to end this on this  thread.  We have to agree to disagree.   

Post: Mom and Pop commercial building leasing mistake

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Hi I have been helping my parents with communicating to their tenant about renewing a lease with a rent increase. My parents asked for a modest increase. I emailed the tenants and they negotiated an agreeable price with my parents. Both parties said they "can do this amount". No lease has been sent or signed yet for renewal. After some research on my own I found out my parents are very below market rent. Is it too late to change the rent amount? Should I just keep it the same? 


The ETHICAL question is one only your parents can answer. Up until recently, courts have ruled that any real estate agreement MUST be written.  Some recent court decisions have recognized verbal agreements. This is court specific; I would pay for an attorneys  counsel.   

If your parents are ok with the ethics of  renegotiating, then the solution may be to share the finding of higher market rent with the tenant, and tell the tenant that they are willing to stick with the verbally agreed rent - but only for two years.  Once 2 years is up the rest of the lease is at the higher market rent, or at least closer to it.  This way your parents may be able to remain on good terms with their tenant. 

Post: Seeking Advice on Managing Out-of-State MTR Properties

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Hello BP,

I currently own and self-manage two long-term rental properties in different states. Recently, I’ve been seriously considering acquiring a property for short-term rental (MTR) purposes in the Kansas City Metro area. Given my background with managing out-of-state properties, I’m confident that I can apply my skills to the MTR space, but I wanted to reach out to the forums to gather insights from anyone who manages an MTR property out of state.

While I don’t foresee significant hurdles with managing an MTR remotely—provided I have the right local connections and a solid team in place (which I do)—I’m always open to learning more from others who have navigated this path.

If you’re an out-of-state MTR investor or have experience with remote property management, I would love to hear about any tips, strategies, or lessons learned that you can share. Whether it’s about streamlining operations, managing guest communication, or local regulations, any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance for your time and insights.

IMO, managing a property is the same whether you’re 200 miles away or 2,000. Unless you’re 4 hours or less drive from the subject property, you’re not going to be there for most times. 

A lot depends on the property.  There was a time I purchased a number of high end high rise condos; almost all maintenance is done by the condo association, further, I am able to hire the building engineer during their off hours to deal with any interior issues.  The type of tenant that wants to live amid all the condo “rules” leaves out most of the bad actors.  With this amount of “light” property management needed, I was able to utilize the services of the Realtor that represented me in the purchase for management duties.

At the other extreme I was involved in the STR of 4 apartment co ops in NUC with average stays of 3 days.  We needed a dedicated person working full time to handle the necessary duties - she chose to do the cleaning because she wanted the extra cash.  

MTR actually covers a wide range of activity.  30 day rentals can be management intensive. I prefer the 90 day minimum approach.  The big thing in MTR is that the units are furnished. I prefer higher end with full furnishings, linens, cookware, etc.  instead of 3 forks and 3 spoons, I provided 8 full sets of higher quality silver.  My units cost $35k to fully furnish, and my ROI was astronomical because although the market was limited, I OWNED the market.  

Post: Unlocking Real Estate Deals: Wholesaling Strategies & Collaborative Oppertunities

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Hello Everyone,

My name is Dana Fuller, and I’m excited to connect with this incredible community of real estate professionals. I’m a real estate investor specializing in diverse strategies, including fix and flips, wholesaling, buy-and-hold rentals, vacation homes, Airbnb’s, and specialized housing such as nurses' residences and college housing. While I’m currently retired, my focus is on reigniting my investment journey with dedication, resilience, and a clear vision.

My short-term goal is to secure my first deal in the coming months, and I’m working towards joining the Subto organization to expand my knowledge and build long-term success. In the future, my aspirations include owning facilities that provide shelter and education for homeless young women with children—a cause I’m deeply passionate about.

I’m especially interested in partnerships and opportunities in cities like Savannah, North Carolina, Texas, Hawaii, Florida, and areas across Virginia and Maryland. Savannah, Florida, and Hawaii are my key focus for vacation homes, while Texas and North Carolina present exciting wholesaling opportunities. I’m eager to explore deals and contribute meaningfully to collaborations that drive mutual success.

I’m also looking to learn more about working with social service organizations and impact investors to integrate community service into my real estate ventures. If you’re experienced in these areas or open to partnerships, I’d love to connect and explore how we can support one another.

Thank you for welcoming me to this forum. I’m looking forward to engaging with you, learning from your insights, and hopefully building some amazing partnerships along the way.

Warm regards, 

Dana Fuller

Finding Deals/Building a Buyers List:

What are the best strategies for finding off-market properties?

How do you identify motivated sellers?

How do you build and maintain a strong buyers list?

What are effective ways to network with cash buyers?

You’re probably not going to like my advice.  Oh, you may SAY you appreciate it; you may even suggest that you’ll consider it, but you won’t - not right now.  It will take a while before you’re ready.

You need to pick ONE strategy, One property type, and ONE geographical area.  Further, you need a single goal.  Then you need real education in real estate principles, real estate finance, and real estate law.  Otherwise, you’ll never be able to distinguish between a “good” buy, a “mediocre” buy, and a disaster.  Some of the strategies you mention are difficult to pull off even for someone with years of experience and tons of knowledge.  Some require large amounts of capital to scale, and scaling is the only way to be profitable.  Most properties are being transacted at prices that require 40% down to cash flow positively, and that with loans at the lowest rates being offered.  

Real estate investing CAN be a great field as either an investor or as a service provider.  But an extensive education is required.  The fallacy being sold is that real estate investing can be done successfully with “no money and no credit”.  The truth is that real estate investing is one of the most highly CAPITAL INTENSIVE industries in the world.  Yes,  you can borrow 60 -80% of the purchase price.  But that still leaves a big capital investment, and typically a very small cash flow. 

Post: Agent looking to start direct to seller for motivated sellers

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I’m an investor agent in Bryan-College Station Texas, and I want to start sourcing off-market deals to provide exclusive opportunities for my top investor clients. Sellers would have three options: sell to my clients, sell to me, or list on the market. I’m NOT planning to wholesale—just creating more deal flow for my agent business.

Back in 2020, I sent 500 postcards/month via DealMachine for about a year and a half this resulted in 2 off-market deals that I purchased. Now, with a $1,000–$2,000/month budget, I want to restart but am open to different marketing strategies.

  • What’s working best for you at this budget?
  • Should I stick with mailers or explore cold calling, PPC, SMS, etc.?
  • What lists have been most effective for motivated sellers?
  • Any lessons learned from your experience?

I’d love to hear your insights—thanks in advance!

While @Jerryll Noorden is usually more than a little obnoxious, a lot of what he says is true.  And while I disagree with him that SEO is the ONLY way to go, we’ve found that the two best bang for the bucks marketing is SEO and email to targeted audience.  Social media engagement is running a somewhat distant third. 

Post: Strategies to find deals

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I am trying to expand my list of strategies to find deals.

I did some research and narrowed down my search, spoke to a few quality realtors and nothing came to fruition. Even after trying to pick the better ones.

Now I know I can search online, I can use a realtor, I can send out a mail campaign, I can cold call, I can go to auctions.

Are there any other strategies you would recommend to find deals?

Also I am going to be looking in northwest Indiana, Chicagoland illinois, and Racine area Wisconsin.

You can buy all the real property you want, or can afford - at market prices. 

If you’re looking to buy at BELOW market price, in all likelihood the property won’t be offered for sale at that below market price.  The information as to market pricing is too readily available to every seller, so that the advice of 25 years ago - target long term property owners who live out of town and haven’t kept up with the value of their property - is no longer a viable approach.

So, what is left?  What is left isn’t necessarily a marketing method, but an approach that can put the buyer in a position to recognize, negotiate, and “manufacture” a “deal”.

First, the buyer must have the knowledge of real estate in general, local market in particular, and property type specifically to recognize when SOMETHING is likely to happen in a particular area that will cause the subject property to become more valuable in the future.  This could be gentrification, changes in land use,  nearby development, or anything else that has not been “baked into” the current price of subject property. 

Second, the buyer needs SUPERIOR negotiating skills, whether in direct negotiation with a seller, or through an intermediary.  Many gurus teach learning what the sellers needs are and finding a way to satisfy those needs while still buying the property at advantageous price and terms to you.  This is a small part of negotiation, and successful negotiations can be concluded without ever knowing the buyers “psyche”.  How you develop negotiating skills and how you apply these is totally dependent on your comfort zone, your personality, your time allotment, etc.  I assure you I have concluded a number of almost u believable “deals” (I purchased a property For $5k that I sold for $125k in 2 days) and never dwelled into the sellers motivations, needs or desires. 

Third, is the capital, knowledge and ability to “reposition” the property.  This can be anything involving extensive rehab to merely obtaining a tenant willing to pay more.  Years ago I owned an auto repair facility leased to a general auto repair at $2500 monthly.  I approached the owner who wanted out of the business and was having financial problems offering to let him out of the lease if he signed ownership of his equipment, lifts, etc over to me.  He agreed.  I then contacted a brake repair specialty company expanding rapidly and looking for good locations and willing to pay a premium for them.  The company had a better than decent credit rating.  We negotiated a lease beginning at $4500 per month, and increasing by $500 per month every two years, over 10 years.  The equipment the brake outfit didn’t want I sold for about $6k.  The result was that I had almost doubled the value of the property merely by increasing the lease rate.  

You won’t “find” good deals, you have to “make” them. 

Post: Foreclosures Over 1,000,000 loans in default? Time 2 Learn How To Buy Preforelosures?

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I'm not making this up. WSJ is.  

I started out buying pre-foreclosures and have made a lot of money buying them. But, now it requires training to stay out of trouble.

"Why do housing prices keep climbing despite higher interest rates? The federal government has allowed borrowers to take out bigger mortgages than they can afford. To prevent foreclosures, it’s bailing them out when they miss payments. Behold another subprime housing bubble.

The problems began when the Obama administration eased underwriting standards by enabling more home buyers whose debt payments exceed 43% of income to qualify for government-backed loans. Such borrowers are risky because they might not be able to make payments if their income drops or expenses rise."

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"As home prices climbed, the Federal Housing Administration insured more loans to financially stretched borrowers with as little as 3.5% down. No skin off lenders' backs if borrowers later defaulted, since the mortgages were backed by the government.

In 2007, 35% of new FHA borrowers had debt-to-income ratios above 43%. By 2020, 54% did. As housing prices and inflation surged, borrowers became more stretched. The FHA kept insuring mortgages to borrowers who were increasingly leveraged. About 64% of FHA borrowers last year exceeded the 43% threshold.

The FHA loan portfolio is far riskier than it was before the 2008 housing crisis.

Institute's Ed Pinto and Tobias Peter estimate that 79% of FHA first-time borrowers have a month or less in financial reserves—not enough to make mortgage payments if their household expenses rise"


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Oh, did anybody mention we are experiencing inflation? These people are going to start getting foreclosure notices.


We just acquired $5M of defaulted loans that will be REO's. I always tell investors they should bea note investors best friend for off market deals - of course the ones that do reach out to us are wholesalers trying to lowball the hell out of the deal thinking we are idiots but we are typically very sophisticated and no the numbers very well including the ARV, what it will take to get it repaired as well as rental rates.

In both residential and most commercial markets there are THREE prices; the wholesalers (flippers) price, the investors price and the users price. Most people don’t think of commercial property as having a “users” price, but I will provide an example below.

some number of years ago I was forced  to foreclose on an older office building that had been converted to a combo office / living units.  This type of property had no obvious buyer, but to generate interest I listed on Loopnet with the proposal of 20% down with owner financing of the balance.  

As expected, I received very lowball offers from numerous wholesalers, all offering low prices, wide “weasel” clauses, no REAL earnest money (“ my attorney will hold my personal check”, etc.) and 120 -180 days closes.  In addition I received two  low, but reasonable offers from investors, who had plans to rent out the facility.  While considering which of these two offers I would pursue, I received a call from a broker saying he had a church client that would like to make an offer and would use the facilities for offices associated with its non profit divisions and the bedrooms for spousal abuse victims shelter.  We negotiated a deal that allowed the church a low enough down payment to keep enough funds in reserve to make needed improvements/repairs.  To satisfy my collateral requirements the church put up as additional collateral a lot they owned in the same general area.  The price paid was about 30% higher than the investors had offered. 

The church refinanced the subject property and paid the note off in just over three years.  As part of the payoff, I accepted the title to the empty lot that was additional collateral for the loan, and leased it back to the church for parking at a 12% 3N annual return.  This went on an additional 4 years before the church exercised its option to purchase the lot back from me for 40% above what I paid.  

For sellers you will almost always receive a higher price from a user than from an investor, and from an investor than from a wholesaler.  

People who sell their houses to the ibuyers, usually at 20% below market because they’re attracted to the fast close, no hassle, no Realtor aspect remind me of the people who trade their car in at a 40% “hit” when the initial tires wear out at 30,000 miles, or the people who pay 19.8% interest in their credit card rather than get a 8% consumer loan because they’re attracted want to avoid the hassle.  Then they want to get into real estate but have no capital to invest.