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All Forum Posts by: Duane Alexander

Duane Alexander has started 18 posts and replied 244 times.

Post: Is SMS prospecting becoming a new trend?

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Originally posted by @Brian Patrick:

Over the last year I’ve received about 20 unsolicited text messages (both for properties I own and ones I don’t) from real estate agents asking if I was interested in selling. This is the first time I’ve ever had this happen and I can’t imagine it being a successful prospecting Avenue, but I could be wrong. Is anyone else doing this or experiencing this? If you are texting homeowners, any success?

texting has been a huge money maker for me. This is likely to change in the upcoming months with the new regulations being handed down though.

Post: John Martinez vs. Steve Trang REI sales training

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I paid for many real estate courses and always found that the advertising hype is always far better than the course and I never went to a real estate seminar or real estate course where they taught something I didn't already know and never went to a real estate course where you can't find what you need to know by buying Kindle books on Amazon for about $20.

What I am going to say is a fact. I worked with a stock and option training instructor who published 7 books. This trainer used Ghost Writers for every book. He did spend a few hours working with the Ghost Writer to explain his premise for the first book. Then, the Ghost Writers us the little information he gives and the Ghost Writes go through books written by other authors and they re-write exactly what every other book Ghost Writer is writing.

The problem with every book written for real estate investing is it is very clear to see that the authors want ti fill the book with crap so they can get the crap to fill 150+ pages. So, the authors (Ghost Writers) start with maybe a different slant for knowledge already in every book for the first one or two chapters and then you can see the authors (Ghost Writers) change from some half-*** information to a multitude of subjects where you are absolutely positive that the author (Ghost Writers) cannot be experts in that many crappy areas of real estate.

So...this thread is not about books, but the exact same crap applies to courses you pay for. The gurus hawking their crap usually learned enough just to impress you and then they need to use useless crap to make it appear you are getting a bang for your buck.

Save your money and use is wisely to make more money for you and not for someone who probably purchased 1 property and decided to sell courses about real estate.

"Don't believe anything you hear and maybe you can believe up to 2# of what you actually see".

I hear what you're saying and I know you have good intentions. Having said that Steve Trang and John Martinez are legit and both train hundreds of real estate investors and their acquisition teams with excellent results. I know BP is against the gurus or whatever but I know plenty of investors who pay for coaching, mentorship, etc. and are doing well for themselves. I've paid for courses and mentorship (hi Jerryll) before that have really helped me and were 5 times more expensive than what John and Steve are offering and if I could do it over again I would. That's how much it has helped me and my investment career. I'm always looking to grow my skillset, even if I have to pay for it. Looking for advice from people who have actually used either of these guys, don't really want to make this a flame war. I've already vetted both of these guys and have been familiar with them for years. 

Post: John Martinez vs. Steve Trang REI sales training

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Anyone take both courses? Which one is better? Thinking about pulling the trigger on John Martinez' course to take myself and train my VA's, but I really like Steve Trang as well.

Post: Advice to Wholesalers / Deal Finders - Get Started Step by Step

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Great thread with solid info. Also, The Book on Flipping Houses is THE book to educate yourself on buying and selling real estate for profit!

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

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Originally posted by @Tony Kim:
Originally posted by @Matthew Olszak:
Originally posted by @Don Konipol:

@Don Konipol

There have been A LOT of assumptions made about my motives for posting the original post. Almost all are incorrect. The only motive was purely for humor. I just stated facts as to what various people habitually post. If it hits too close to home, we’ll maybe you need to look at why.

I do not dislike, or have any bias against people who are new to real estate and dream of an investing career, or to people who partake in the wholesaling arena. However, I do think it is pure laziness when someone doesn’t bother to find the answer to their questions, or to seek out education by searching the forums, blogs, and internet; instead asks a question expecting someone to provide a complete workable business plan and complete education for them in two posts. I also think it’s especially bad when the poster asks a question and then attacks those replying because he didn’t receive the answer he wished for.

As for my thoughts on “wholesaling”, well with 40 + years of mostly success experience as a real estate and mortgage note investor, fund manager, broker, etc., I can provide my personal opinion. So here goes….

1. Real estate wholesaling is not really wholesaling. Wholesaling anything requires purchasing goods in bulk at one price and selling in smaller quantities at a higher price per unit. Real estate “wholesalers” usually don’t complete the purchase or take title themselves, thereby failing the first part of the wholesaling definition. Further they rarely “buy in bulk” therefore missing the second part. What they are is unlicensed intermediaries.

2. The real estate brokerage profession has evolved into a model where the broker act as an agent for one of the principal parties, and as such has a fiduciary responsibility to that party as well as a duty of honesty to the other party. A “wholesaler” does not act as agent of the seller, or ultimate buyer for that matter. He owes no fiduciary obligation to the seller or buyer, and he probably owes no duty of honesty except for what is found in any commercial transaction.

3. As a result of #2 above the wholesaler does not provide a “service” to the seller, other than the service of being ready to purchase the sellers property at a below market price. In a general sense this can be a service in that it may provide liquidity to the seller, but it isn’t a service as in an agency or advisory relationship sense.

4. People with no capital are attracted to the wholesaling hype. The vast majority of people trying to wholesale fail miserably. Most “successful” wholesalers earn no more than a decent living.

5. A very few people are successful at creating a truly profitable wholesaling business. Most of these are the result of having a related business throwing off excess deals, such as owning a Homevestors franchise, and or spending $10,000 per month or more on marketing.

6. If the ibuying companies ever really get off the ground, wholesaling is finished. These guys offer the same price as wholesalers, or more, will actually close without having to find a buyer, and don’t need financing. If I had a wholesale operation I would be worried about them and not how real estate investors respond in a forum.

Let me know what you think….

Thank you especially for #'s 5 and 6. Yeah, everyone has the anecdotal "person I know who wholesales and makes $100k/mo", yet they fail to realize the marketing $$$'s that person incurred to get to that point (assuming its even true). Its certainly not the cost of 2 rolls of stamps and some notebook paper.

Just like Carvana and the like has interrupted the craigslist bottom-dweller catfish trying to lowball car sellers, and sometimes getting away with it, like you said ibuyers will be the end of wholesaling except for the most technologically inept homeowners, whom coincidentally need the most consumer protections real estate licensing provides.

Agree 100% with the above. It's still about taking advantage of folks that are not in tune with technology. 30 years ago, wholesalers must have had a field day.

Watch out for startups like Sundae.com. These types of VC companies might do to real estate wholesalers what Carvana has done to much of the used-car arbitragers. There are a lot of things that have contributed to the spike in used car prices and companies like Carvana are one of them. Companies like Sundae and the whole host of other VC backed wholesalers that are growing will only contribute to the astronomical rise in RE prices we are seeing and squeeze out the individual, unlicensed wholesaler.

 I live in a market where all the VC backed wholesalers like offerpad, knock and all of those guys are and us little guys are doing just fine. A lot of people would rather work with a local person than some big faceless company. They also use a lot of bad tactics for example, offering a high price then waiting until the day before closing to fight for a reduction using inspection reports, and have a lot of bad reviews. I've had a few homeowners that were weighing using me versus the big guys and I'm able to make my case to them very easily. Additionally they do not have the same buying criteria that I do and tend to avoid the ugliest of the houses. Not really worried about them at all.

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:

@Matthew Olszak because I literally just don’t have a need for it lol, it’s that simple.

 George law says you do playa.

#1: What constitutes a Broker under Georgia law?
The Official Code of Georgia, Section 43-40-1(2)(A) defines a “Broker” as any person, who, “for a fee, commission or any other valuable consideration, or with the expectation of receiving the same from another . . . assists in procuring prospects for the listing, sale, purchase, renting, lease, or option for any real estate . . .”[4]

#2: What activities require a Broker license?
Under Georgia law, any person who (i) intends or is promised to receive “any valuable consideration” and (ii) offers, agrees or actually negotiates or attempts to negotiate, or assists in procuring prospects, for the listing, sale, purchase, exchange, renting, lease, or option for any real estate or improvements thereon, must be a licensed Broker. The Georgia Code also lists a number of other activities that can only be performed by a licensed Broker if offered or performed with the intent of or upon the promise of receiving commission.[5]

#3: What penalties/fines could an individual face by acting as a Broker without a license?
An individual who acts as a Broker without a license from the State of Georgia can be charged with a misdemeanor.[6] The Commission can impose a fine not to exceed $1,000 for each violation of the statute, with each day that a person practices in violation of Georgia law constituting a separate violation.[7] Other violations include: (a) acting for more than one party in a real estate transaction, (b) making any substantial misrepresentation, or (c) attempting to perform any act authorized by law to be performed only by a Broker. The Commission can also issue a cease and desist order against the violator.[8]

The Attorney General also has the right to bring an action to enjoin such illegal conduct in the Superior Court.[9]

#4: What rights would an individual forfeit by acting as a Broker without a license?
Under Section 43-40-24 of the Georgia Code, anyone who performs any of the acts of a licensed “Broker” listed in Chapter 43 of the statute without a license is prohibited from bringing an action in a court of law to collect compensation for the services rendered.[10] In Amend v. 485 Properties, LLC, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals held that “any person who negotiates or assists in procuring prospects for renting or leasing for any real estate or holds himself out as a referral agent for doing so, must obtain a license with the Georgia Real Estate Commission . . . [a] person cannot maintain an action for compensation for services without alleging and proving ‘that he was a licensed broker in Georgia at the time the alleged cause of action arose.’”[11]

Similarly, an unlicensed individual acting as a licensed Broker would not have any rights to lien the subject property under the Broker’s lien law. This is relevant with respect to an individual’s ability to enforce the payment of the referral fee if a dispute arises.

#5: Who can be a Broker in Georgia?
Under Section 43-40-8(c) of the Georgia Code, a person can be a licensed Broker if they “(1) have attained the age of 21 years; (2) are a resident of the state of Georgia; (3) are a high school graduate or the holder of an equivalency; and have complied fully with the requirements of subsection (b) of Code Section 43-40-15 regarding any criminal convictions; (4) have maintained a license in active status for at least three of the five years immediately preceding the filing of an application to become a broker; (5) furnish evidence of completion of 60 instructional hours in a broker’s course of study approved by the commission; and (6) stand and pass a real estate examination administered by or approved by the commission covering generally the matters confronting real estate brokers after completing the requirements of paragraph (5) of this subsection and after maintaining a license in active status for at least three of the five years immediately preceding such examination.”[12]

#6: What is the intended purpose of the Georgia laws regarding Brokers?
Like many other professions that require a license to practice, Georgia implemented the laws surrounding Broker licensure to prevent people from falling victim to harmful business practices.[13] The Georgia Real Estate Commission (“the Commission”) was created by the state legislature as a way of monitoring the brokers and enforcing licensure requirements.[14] In 1929, the Georgia Supreme Court discussed the reasoning behind the laws and creation of the Commission in the case Padgett v. Silver Lake Park Corp.[15] The Court explained that:

“the legislature intended . . . to create a Georgia real estate commission which would investigate each and every person applying for a license as a corporation or individual as a real estate broker or salesman, and look into the fitness . . . in respect to his character, reputation, and experience, in order to ascertain whether or not from such investigation the applicant is of good character, competent, and trustworthy, and if so, to grant him a license . . . [or if finding] to the contrary . . . deny such person a license . . . that being so, it cannot be held that these acts were intended to raise revenue merely for support of the government.”[16]

Since then, “the Court has repeatedly emphasized the statute’s purpose to ‘provide public protection through the regulation of the activities of the brokers.’”[17]

If you have brought together a real estate buyer and seller, or landlord and tenant, or have been involved in contract negotiations involving real estate, and expect to receive any form of compensation (no matter how it is labeled), you must be a licensed Realtor. Anything less, you may find yourself with an unenforceable claim or agreement or, much worse, guilty of a crime.

this is virtually verbatim in every state..  but of course that does not keep folks from breaking the law.. Even Duane here if someone turned him in or filed a complaint against him he would have a hard time arguing he is doing what he is doing legally since he admitted in writing on this BP thread that he is taking fee's without being licensed.  Since IL changed its law and is enforcing it I think the wave is going to start going across the country..  Its not about the RE brokers being Jealous of wholesalers this is all about consumer protection if you think anything else then your naive .  U have folks with no training or idea of how contracts or real estate works jumping into these transactions with a lot of harm done to people on all  sides of the transactions..  Have nothing to do with the are we helping these poor people out of their real estate mess  :)    Also these type of laws dont sell Guru how to get rich wholesaling class's..  Keep in mind wholesaling is about BUYING the asset not generating fee's through sales techniques..  

How is this about consumer protection and not NAR and brokerages trying to keep control of an industry they fear is changing? NAR sees Zillow, offerpad, etc. jumping into their business utilizing technology and is scared they will end up like the Taxi commission when Uber took over. That's all this is about. Consumer protection? Please. The vast majority of the people I work with specifically DO NOT WANT TO WORK WITH A REALTOR because of a whole host of reasons. Either they don't want to pay commission, or they have an issue that makes selling their property off market more desirable, for example having a tenant that won't allow access, having a hoarder house they don't want publically listed because they are embarrassed, wanting a discrete fast cash sell, etc. I ask every single seller I talk to why don't they just list their property with a realtor and they all have some reason.

So if a consumer doesn’t want to work with realtor, how are you protecting anything but your pockets by trying to create laws  to force them to?

It's 2021. Technology has made it easier for people to find buyers for their homes. A lot of people are realizing they don't need a realtor to oversee a real estate transaction for 6% and are pursuing other options whether that be FSBO, using ibuyers, selling directly to an investor etc. NAR undoubtedly sees the writing on the wall and are trying to hold on by spreading all of this FUD about wholesalers being the worst people on the planet.

Of course the sellers want to save the 6% and most are not sharp enough to realize that a wholesaler will charge double or more than 6%  the realtor will get more money for less cost.. but I agree to many they are just not clued in enough to understand what they are doing.. And the illusion of not paying a fee sits well with them..  Keep in mind  as investors we buy hoarder houses all the time  we buy foreclosures all the time .. difference is we actually buy them .  However I will say though there are cultural issues at play that the general public is not aware and or the general public is not up to speed on what a very rough neighborhood is like and agents are for sure not going to work there we all know this is true..  However its these very neighborhoods that are being gobbled up by investors for rental purposes.. I seriously doubt you sell many or any homes to anyone who is going to actually buy it own it and live in it. 

 I think it’s a very unfair assumption to assume a seller is not sharp just because they don’t want to use a realtor. Last month I got a deal from a guy who’s been investing in real estate for years. Has an expansive rental portfolio, residential and commercial. Showed up to my walkthrough in a Range Rover. His property had just went vacant and he just wanted to get rid of it because he didn’t have the time to manage a renovation. A week after that a lady who had been renting her former primary property for 20 years and just wanted to retire but was dealing with a tenant she couldn’t get rid of. This lady was also, gasp, a former realtor. Both of these people searched for and CONTACTED ME not the other way around. Why does a person making their own decisions need to be governed by some lobby? Who are you protecting them from, themselves? 

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

Duane AlexanderPosted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:

@Matthew Olszak because I literally just don’t have a need for it lol, it’s that simple.

 George law says you do playa.

#1: What constitutes a Broker under Georgia law?
The Official Code of Georgia, Section 43-40-1(2)(A) defines a “Broker” as any person, who, “for a fee, commission or any other valuable consideration, or with the expectation of receiving the same from another . . . assists in procuring prospects for the listing, sale, purchase, renting, lease, or option for any real estate . . .”[4]

#2: What activities require a Broker license?
Under Georgia law, any person who (i) intends or is promised to receive “any valuable consideration” and (ii) offers, agrees or actually negotiates or attempts to negotiate, or assists in procuring prospects, for the listing, sale, purchase, exchange, renting, lease, or option for any real estate or improvements thereon, must be a licensed Broker. The Georgia Code also lists a number of other activities that can only be performed by a licensed Broker if offered or performed with the intent of or upon the promise of receiving commission.[5]

#3: What penalties/fines could an individual face by acting as a Broker without a license?
An individual who acts as a Broker without a license from the State of Georgia can be charged with a misdemeanor.[6] The Commission can impose a fine not to exceed $1,000 for each violation of the statute, with each day that a person practices in violation of Georgia law constituting a separate violation.[7] Other violations include: (a) acting for more than one party in a real estate transaction, (b) making any substantial misrepresentation, or (c) attempting to perform any act authorized by law to be performed only by a Broker. The Commission can also issue a cease and desist order against the violator.[8]

The Attorney General also has the right to bring an action to enjoin such illegal conduct in the Superior Court.[9]

#4: What rights would an individual forfeit by acting as a Broker without a license?
Under Section 43-40-24 of the Georgia Code, anyone who performs any of the acts of a licensed “Broker” listed in Chapter 43 of the statute without a license is prohibited from bringing an action in a court of law to collect compensation for the services rendered.[10] In Amend v. 485 Properties, LLC, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals held that “any person who negotiates or assists in procuring prospects for renting or leasing for any real estate or holds himself out as a referral agent for doing so, must obtain a license with the Georgia Real Estate Commission . . . [a] person cannot maintain an action for compensation for services without alleging and proving ‘that he was a licensed broker in Georgia at the time the alleged cause of action arose.’”[11]

Similarly, an unlicensed individual acting as a licensed Broker would not have any rights to lien the subject property under the Broker’s lien law. This is relevant with respect to an individual’s ability to enforce the payment of the referral fee if a dispute arises.

#5: Who can be a Broker in Georgia?
Under Section 43-40-8(c) of the Georgia Code, a person can be a licensed Broker if they “(1) have attained the age of 21 years; (2) are a resident of the state of Georgia; (3) are a high school graduate or the holder of an equivalency; and have complied fully with the requirements of subsection (b) of Code Section 43-40-15 regarding any criminal convictions; (4) have maintained a license in active status for at least three of the five years immediately preceding the filing of an application to become a broker; (5) furnish evidence of completion of 60 instructional hours in a broker’s course of study approved by the commission; and (6) stand and pass a real estate examination administered by or approved by the commission covering generally the matters confronting real estate brokers after completing the requirements of paragraph (5) of this subsection and after maintaining a license in active status for at least three of the five years immediately preceding such examination.”[12]

#6: What is the intended purpose of the Georgia laws regarding Brokers?
Like many other professions that require a license to practice, Georgia implemented the laws surrounding Broker licensure to prevent people from falling victim to harmful business practices.[13] The Georgia Real Estate Commission (“the Commission”) was created by the state legislature as a way of monitoring the brokers and enforcing licensure requirements.[14] In 1929, the Georgia Supreme Court discussed the reasoning behind the laws and creation of the Commission in the case Padgett v. Silver Lake Park Corp.[15] The Court explained that:

“the legislature intended . . . to create a Georgia real estate commission which would investigate each and every person applying for a license as a corporation or individual as a real estate broker or salesman, and look into the fitness . . . in respect to his character, reputation, and experience, in order to ascertain whether or not from such investigation the applicant is of good character, competent, and trustworthy, and if so, to grant him a license . . . [or if finding] to the contrary . . . deny such person a license . . . that being so, it cannot be held that these acts were intended to raise revenue merely for support of the government.”[16]

Since then, “the Court has repeatedly emphasized the statute’s purpose to ‘provide public protection through the regulation of the activities of the brokers.’”[17]

If you have brought together a real estate buyer and seller, or landlord and tenant, or have been involved in contract negotiations involving real estate, and expect to receive any form of compensation (no matter how it is labeled), you must be a licensed Realtor. Anything less, you may find yourself with an unenforceable claim or agreement or, much worse, guilty of a crime.

this is virtually verbatim in every state..  but of course that does not keep folks from breaking the law.. Even Duane here if someone turned him in or filed a complaint against him he would have a hard time arguing he is doing what he is doing legally since he admitted in writing on this BP thread that he is taking fee's without being licensed.  Since IL changed its law and is enforcing it I think the wave is going to start going across the country..  Its not about the RE brokers being Jealous of wholesalers this is all about consumer protection if you think anything else then your naive .  U have folks with no training or idea of how contracts or real estate works jumping into these transactions with a lot of harm done to people on all  sides of the transactions..  Have nothing to do with the are we helping these poor people out of their real estate mess  :)    Also these type of laws dont sell Guru how to get rich wholesaling class's..  Keep in mind wholesaling is about BUYING the asset not generating fee's through sales techniques..  

How is this about consumer protection and not NAR and brokerages trying to keep control of an industry they fear is changing? NAR sees Zillow, offerpad, etc. jumping into their business utilizing technology and is scared they will end up like the Taxi commission when Uber took over. That's all this is about. Consumer protection? Please. The vast majority of the people I work with specifically DO NOT WANT TO WORK WITH A REALTOR because of a whole host of reasons. Either they don't want to pay commission, or they have an issue that makes selling their property off market more desirable, for example having a tenant that won't allow access, having a hoarder house they don't want publically listed because they are embarrassed, wanting a discrete fast cash sell, etc. I ask every single seller I talk to why don't they just list their property with a realtor and they all have some reason.

So if a consumer doesn’t want to work with realtor, how are you protecting anything but your pockets by trying to create laws  to force them to?

It's 2021. Technology has made it easier for people to find buyers for their homes. A lot of people are realizing they don't need a realtor to oversee a real estate transaction for 6% and are pursuing other options whether that be FSBO, using ibuyers, selling directly to an investor etc. NAR undoubtedly sees the writing on the wall and are trying to hold on by spreading all of this FUD about wholesalers being the worst people on the planet.

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

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@Matthew Olszak because I literally just don’t have a need for it lol, it’s that simple.

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

Duane AlexanderPosted
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Originally posted by @Matthew Olszak:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:
Originally posted by @BJ Marshall:

How does one effectively connect with wholesalers? I posted in the forums a bit ago about trying to connect with a wholesaler so that I could do some brrrr investing. Crickets. Methinks I did something wrong.

 This is how I connected with whole sellers.  Get a house that is out of state or local area from where you live.  The wantabe whole sellers will call you, text you, send you postcards with a photo of the house, or at least where Google thinks the house is, send you a pretend handwritten letter, send you  a yellow letter, basically annoy the heck out of you for the rest of your life.  These ambitious whole sellers will continue to contact you even 4 years after you sold the house.  Even after you have clearly told them no and that you already sold it--they will call 'in case you want to sell it again??'  

Choose the whole seller you like best, yellow letters, personal calls from LV (according to caller ID) with a Pilipino accent, or do you prefer the Indian accent?  Both are readily available!  Or maybe you love texts?  Or postcards?  Maybe you like the one that calls at 6 am with 'good news before you start your day', or the one that calls at 10:30 at night and ends the call with 'nighty-night'?

That is how you connect with a whole seller of your choice!

If this is a serious problem for you my first suggestion for you or anyone else who is serious about investing in real estate, is to own your properties under an LLC or even better a trust. Not only does this have a whole host of benefits, it also makes it near impossible for people skip trace your information.

Also keep in mind that most of the calls, texts, letters you get typically come from the same couple of companies who employ a team of people. If they call/text/mail you, tell them that they have the WRONG NUMBER/PERSON or that you don’t own the house. If you simply tell them you’re not interested they will just pass your info along to their other teammate, who will act like they’re calling from another company, in hopes of catching you at a better time when you’re now interested in selling. If you tell them that they have the wrong number or person, they will not waste time/money/resources on trying to contact you again.

But seriously if you don't own your properties under an LLC or Trust, you should start.

BTW, realtors cold call/text to find motivated sellers more than wholesalers do and they are way more realtors doing it. They literally do the same marketing we do. Why are there never any threads complaining about them? Hrmmmmm. Maybe cause there's an agenda and NAR....nevermind. You guys clearly aren't ready for that convo.

 Mine are in a Trust.  They get the address from the tax assessor's office that they send the tax bills to.

I have never, ever received a text from a realtor that was not under a contract relationship with me, nor received a phone call at 6 am or after 9pm.  They never send me yellow letters either.  Only thing I get from them is a post card about houses they have listed in the neighborhood or a card saying "if you want to sell, please call me".  Never harassing or daily.

  A realtor is who taught me how to use mojo dialer. When I was researching how to cold call motivated sellers, more than half of the material I was looking at was from a realtor.

If you can be found using your trust, then you need to fire your lawyer who drew up the papers to create your trust. It can cost thousands to break down the veil of a well constructed trust. 

Regardless, if a person can make 10-15 grand and put his family in a better position by calling or texting 2500 people just like you a month, just to get that one yes, who are we to laugh and make fun of them for doing so? Are you willing to do that to get a deal? Doubt it. That’s why 90% of real estate investors on this forum struggle to get deals in a market this hot while wasting time laughing at or whining about wholesalers.


 The reason why a large portion of your training came from a Realtor because Realtors job is to broker real estate sales. That's all that wholesaling as it's commonly taught today is, it's simply brokering real estate, albeit without a license. Hence the reason it's an illegal activity and upsets lots of folks.

It only upsets other realtors and NAR because they feel like they're missing out on commission on properties they probably wouldn't want to deal with any way and are mad guys like me can do what they do without paying for a piece of paper.


 In GA it would cost you about $600 to get your license and $250 every four years to keep it. That includes your education and testing fees. You will have to take classes on ethics and fair housing laws. You will need to retain enough information to pass a test and you need to pass a criminal background check. 

You can't even cut someone's hair in GA without a license and that requires substantially more expense and schooling. If you need a license to do a $20 hair cut, how is it unreasonable for hundred thousand dollar real estate transactions? 

No doubt someone who paid the money and took the classes is probably upset that others think the rules don't apply to them. I can see their perspective. 

If I have to get a license to continue doing what I'm doing, I'll do it. But I've done 4 deals in the last two months and have made 45 thousand while helping 4 different investors get out from under their issues with their properties. Obviously I know what I'm doing. What is a license going to do for me besides make NAR feel better and increase their profits while decreasing mine?

FYI - You don't need NAR membership to be a broker, just to get MLS access (in most states). This is me personally - I'm still licensed yet not a member of NAR ever since my membership expired late last year or early this year.

That's fine and dandy but I don't really need access to the MLS. It's a nice to have, but not at all necessary. The only times I have needed it is for pics of sold comps in which case I'd leverage one of my realtor friends who dont have this crazy distaste for wholesalers exemplified on BP.

Post: My Take on Every Thread in the Wholesaling Forum

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Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @James Wise:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:
Originally posted by @Duane Alexander:
Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:
Originally posted by @BJ Marshall:

How does one effectively connect with wholesalers? I posted in the forums a bit ago about trying to connect with a wholesaler so that I could do some brrrr investing. Crickets. Methinks I did something wrong.

 This is how I connected with whole sellers.  Get a house that is out of state or local area from where you live.  The wantabe whole sellers will call you, text you, send you postcards with a photo of the house, or at least where Google thinks the house is, send you a pretend handwritten letter, send you  a yellow letter, basically annoy the heck out of you for the rest of your life.  These ambitious whole sellers will continue to contact you even 4 years after you sold the house.  Even after you have clearly told them no and that you already sold it--they will call 'in case you want to sell it again??'  

Choose the whole seller you like best, yellow letters, personal calls from LV (according to caller ID) with a Pilipino accent, or do you prefer the Indian accent?  Both are readily available!  Or maybe you love texts?  Or postcards?  Maybe you like the one that calls at 6 am with 'good news before you start your day', or the one that calls at 10:30 at night and ends the call with 'nighty-night'?

That is how you connect with a whole seller of your choice!

If this is a serious problem for you my first suggestion for you or anyone else who is serious about investing in real estate, is to own your properties under an LLC or even better a trust. Not only does this have a whole host of benefits, it also makes it near impossible for people skip trace your information.

Also keep in mind that most of the calls, texts, letters you get typically come from the same couple of companies who employ a team of people. If they call/text/mail you, tell them that they have the WRONG NUMBER/PERSON or that you don’t own the house. If you simply tell them you’re not interested they will just pass your info along to their other teammate, who will act like they’re calling from another company, in hopes of catching you at a better time when you’re now interested in selling. If you tell them that they have the wrong number or person, they will not waste time/money/resources on trying to contact you again.

But seriously if you don't own your properties under an LLC or Trust, you should start.

BTW, realtors cold call/text to find motivated sellers more than wholesalers do and they are way more realtors doing it. They literally do the same marketing we do. Why are there never any threads complaining about them? Hrmmmmm. Maybe cause there's an agenda and NAR....nevermind. You guys clearly aren't ready for that convo.

 Mine are in a Trust.  They get the address from the tax assessor's office that they send the tax bills to.

I have never, ever received a text from a realtor that was not under a contract relationship with me, nor received a phone call at 6 am or after 9pm.  They never send me yellow letters either.  Only thing I get from them is a post card about houses they have listed in the neighborhood or a card saying "if you want to sell, please call me".  Never harassing or daily.

  A realtor is who taught me how to use mojo dialer. When I was researching how to cold call motivated sellers, more than half of the material I was looking at was from a realtor.

If you can be found using your trust, then you need to fire your lawyer who drew up the papers to create your trust. It can cost thousands to break down the veil of a well constructed trust. 

Regardless, if a person can make 10-15 grand and put his family in a better position by calling or texting 2500 people just like you a month, just to get that one yes, who are we to laugh and make fun of them for doing so? Are you willing to do that to get a deal? Doubt it. That’s why 90% of real estate investors on this forum struggle to get deals in a market this hot while wasting time laughing at or whining about wholesalers.


 The reason why a large portion of your training came from a Realtor because Realtors job is to broker real estate sales. That's all that wholesaling as it's commonly taught today is, it's simply brokering real estate, albeit without a license. Hence the reason it's an illegal activity and upsets lots of folks.

It only upsets other realtors and NAR because they feel like they're missing out on commission on properties they probably wouldn't want to deal with any way and are mad guys like me can do what they do without paying for a piece of paper.


 The fact that you refer to a license required by law in most, if not all 50 states, as an arbitrary "piece of paper" is the exact reason why you're never going to get the respect you're seekong from the other professionals out there.

 Who said I was looking for anybody’s respect? Especially a realtor? This thread is clear evidence that you guys don’t respect us so what’s the point of expecting that?