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All Forum Posts by: Eric Gerakos

Eric Gerakos has started 0 posts and replied 669 times.

Post: I ovrbid and now I dont like the house

Eric GerakosPosted
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  • Costa Mesa, CA
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Across from a cemetery is great. The dead are usually quiet at night….

I never negotiate the rent or security deposit. I buy desirable properties in desirable areas.

Post: Softening Rent Prices

Eric GerakosPosted
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  • Costa Mesa, CA
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Quote from @Steve K.:

Just had a vacancy near Wash Park where the previous renters had been there for a few years and were paying $2,200. I listed it for $2,600 and had 20 people show up to the open house, got 3 qualified applicants and the unit was filled immediately. Renewed leases on 4 others (in Wash Park and Speer), with 10% increases. Tenants all tell me they'd much rather rent from an individual landlord, the big PM companies have bad reputations apparently. Class A properties in good locations are holding strong. I'm grateful that I sold all of my class C buildings over the past several years, even though they were supposed to cash flow better than the class A buildings, they never did and the rent and value appreciation wasn't nearly as good either. Location, location, location people! The golden rule that I wish I had paid more attention to earlier.  

Every new investor who thinks they will make a fortune buying C and D crapboxes in the Midwest needs to read this……

Post: Softening Rent Prices

Eric GerakosPosted
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I just raised rents again and have a waiting list for tenants. This is why I always preach buying fewer but more desirable properties. Higher demand, higher rents, less vacancy etc.

Post: Door count is a terrible metric. Please stop using it.

Eric GerakosPosted
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Quote from @Dave Meyer:

Door count is the worst (commonly discussed) metric in the real estate investing community. Why does everyone use it? Can we all decide to collectively kill it? Or are there some of you out there that stand by door count being a useful barometer of success? Honestly, I'd love to hear the argument for why this metric is useful, cause I can't think of one -- so please reply back here. 

Here's my argument. Door count is what many in the analytics world would call a 'vanity metric.' It's something that looks important and fancy,  but doesn't actually tell you anything about business performance. Sound familiar?  It's because door count is a useless metric, it exists to pump up the ego of the investor, and nothing more. Here's why: 

1. Door count tells you exactly nothing about the quality of a portfolio. As an example, let's say Jane T. Investor has 12 doors, and she leads with that when networking. Well 12 doors sounds solid, but how are they performing? Are they cash flowing? Do they require enormous amounts of time and maintenance? Are the returns as good as what other investors in your market/asset class are generating? I know people with huge door counts who lose money every month. What good is a 'door' if it doesn't generate returns? Tell me how efficiently your deals generate returns, and then I'll be impressed. 

2. Prioritizing door count makes you focus on the wrong thing. If I wanted to get 100 doors in the next few years, I bet I could -- but you can bet many of those deals would be thin. Shouldn't we be prioritizing quality over quantity?  If I could choose between earning $5,000/month from 10 doors, or from 5 doors, I would pick 5 doors all day long! Good metrics push you towards good decision making, and door count does the opposite. For a lot of people getting lots of doors would be detrimental to their strategy! 

3. Don't even get me started on passive investor door counts. They're absurd. I invest in multifamily syndications as well as residential properties. On the passive side of my portfolio, I am in syndications that collectively own over 2,000 units. Does that mean I own 2,000 units? Of course not, claiming so would be ridiculous (don't tell people on Instagram, though). If I own 1% of those syndications, does thatmean I own 20 units? I have no idea, nor do I care. Why on earth do I care what % of the doors I own? I care about actual measurements of returns like CoCR, AAROI, and IRR to determine if my portfolio is doing well.

There's my argument -- but I want to be proven wrong. Someone explain to me why this metric is useful. 


 Couldn't agree more. I've always hated the term. 

Post: Would You Still Buy SFH If It Lost You Money MoM?

Eric GerakosPosted
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  • Costa Mesa, CA
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No.

Post: Lending with Personal Guarantee

Eric GerakosPosted
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  • Costa Mesa, CA
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George, it sounds like you made the right decision. I do a lot of loans, but I NEVER loan money with 0 collateral. Best of luck to you. 

Post: Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years.

Eric GerakosPosted
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Quote from @Karan Singh:
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Quote from @Luka Jozic:

Hi everyone, I started investing in Cleveland about a year and a half ago and have acquired 6 LTRs (SFH and MFH) using mainly the BRRRR method in C areas. I've done fairly big renovations where in most cases, Im replacing almost everything in/on the house. First year has been tons of learning and despite all the research and preparation I did, I still did mistakes and learned things the hard way. I went with one of the biggest PMs that everybody vouched for, yet it took them forever to even place a tenant, and once they did, the tenants never paid on time. Additionally, despite the houses being newly renovated, every month there were new expenses and something breaking, almost as if they want me to not cashflow. The PM said they don't up-charge, but most repairs and expenses were ridiculously high. The result of this? No cashflow, in fact Im in the negative for almost every property so far, and yes I do put aside money for vacancies, capex, and repairs. I finally switched PMs recently and the new one seems much better but Im still getting pretty frequent repairs though much cheaper than the previous PM. The problem is that in this market, getting $2-300 a month cashflow is about as good as it gets, and one furnace, one turnover or whatever and that takes out the cashflow for that year, or even puts you in the negative.

Lets just say the experience hasn't been great, yet. Im trying to stay hopeful that it will turn around but I just keep receiving blow after blow. Just recently got hit with a 10K sewer line repair. I know, its my fault I didn't inspect the sewer line but in my defense, having such inspection contingencies makes it nearly impossible to find a viable BRRRR deal, as there are several investors lined up ready to pay more, in cash, and no contingencies. Im now starting to doubt wether or not Cleveland is actually a good market to invest in? Majority of the houses are old and require frequent repairs in addition to a poor tenant base that can't pay on time and don't care about their credit. On paper it looks good, but the reality is a different story. Im wondering if other markets might be better, with somewhat newer houses and higher quality tenants? But the thing with those markets are you'd be happy to break even, so even if repairs are less and tenant quality is better, I feel like it would end up being the same result.

For those of you that invest in Cleveland, do you have similar experiences? If not, what do you think you might be doing differently to make it work better?


 I TRIED to help you but you " know better". I get on avg 800 per month NET income 15- 20% NET (based on cash purchases) on SF, and more on my duplex's. My maintenance is little to nothing as we do the reno correctly. I also tried to help you with PM I'm aware of them all 99% are terrible and will charge you 3k to replace a furnace when the real cost is about 1600. I just got $900 for a 1 br in East Cleveland. I'm going to get 1500 for a 3 br in Lee Harvard, fully renovated all in 75k, do the math :) 

All the best 


Im not interested in buying turnkey and also not buying cash, I would run out of money real quick. I need to be doing BRRRR thats the only way to scale somewhat fast. Im glad you're doing good.


but if your negative cash flow your bleeding your money anyways.. instead of buying a property in a better local that is rehabbed better than you can do. And actually being cash positive instead of negative at least your post says your cash negative not making any money so you are eroding your cash by feeding these.. not to mention the incredible risk you take with remote rehab and the time involved .. If your paying cash to buy and rehab then refinancing I get that.. but your still paying for two closing costs. And if you finance the buy then you have money there.. just some things to think about.
Thats fair but Im assuming there is a little bit of a learning curve before you get it right? If I buy turnkey, Im putting 25% down on any property, which is like 30-45K in Cleveland, and Im still at risk of running into issues because we all know that most turnkey properties aren't actually turnkey, they're lipstick on a pig. Im more interested to learn what I can maybe change or improve to make BRRRR strategy work, not change strategy completely where I can buy maybe 1 property a year instead of 3-4. 
You’re right. Keep your focus on how many crappy properties you can buy each year, instead of buying fewer but better properties. Focus on “scaling quickly.” Collect properties instead of money. It’s a winning strategy…..

 This type of tone and condensing answer is unnecessary. The guy is already losing a lot of money and asking for help. He's been fairly polite in his questions/answers, so if you don't have anything useful to say then perhaps not say anything at all. 

Thanks, I will try not to "condense" my responses in the future.

Post: Why do so many people fail to get started?

Eric GerakosPosted
  • Investor
  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 685
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Quote from @Justin Fox:

You can make ~$200/month for every $43,636.36 - $55,813.95 in a HYSA right now.

Or make $375/month with $50,000 at 9% in a first trust deed with a conservative LTV. 

Post: Pm charging tenets, but not giving me anything

Eric GerakosPosted
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  • Costa Mesa, CA
  • Posts 685
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Your PM is charging tenets? He should be charging the tenants. Problem solved.