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All Forum Posts by: Evan Parker

Evan Parker has started 29 posts and replied 174 times.

Post: BEWARE of Scamming/Misleading People

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Evan Parker:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

So what you are saying is the REI equivilant to,"all rectangles are squares"?

Hmm, essentially. I'm more-so getting at, when starting out, there are a lot of tempting directions to go in to learn and get information. So, I caution folk to be wary of some ways that may result in being mislead/having time wasted in the crucial times of learning. 

So by saying all rectangles are squares, in the REI sense, you're saying all those that present educational packages are frauds and to avoid them

Not quite, maybe I didn't state my points as clearly as I thought. Mentoring packages in the purest sense are not scams/misleading. All educational packages are not frauds. I would not and could not make a blanket statement like that. 

In my opinion, however it is misleading/a major time waster for beginner investors, who are trying to soak up as much information as possible, to immediately jump into a seminar geared toward getting into their pockets more than providing actual substance to help learn. Especially in this day and age where information is so rampant and free, I urge all people, particularly beginners to explore all free/low costing resources at their disposal. 


Why? Because:
A. Those free/low costing resources are extremely helpful

B. The typical new investor is less likely to continue on if they run and jump into a program that costs them $5,000, run and jump into exciting sounding seminars only to find out they're being cornered for money, and if they feel like they're being lied to during the vulnerable state of learning.

C. For the typical beginner investor, it's counter-intuitive to spend thousands on someone/something just to learn.

For example, I would give the same advice to someone wanting to build an app or learn to code. I would urge them to not just immediately run and sign up for a college class/expensive crash course on coding, but instead utilize the free resources that are already at their disposal. 

And quite honestly, a lot of the offerings that I stated in my original post are extremely shady in nature, at best. I do not respect businesses that have to rely on a bait and switch tactic to get people in the door. 

Post: BEWARE of Scamming/Misleading People

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

So what you are saying is the REI equivilant to,"all rectangles are squares"?

Hmm, essentially. I'm more-so getting at, when starting out, there are a lot of tempting directions to go in to learn and get information. So, I caution folk to be wary of some ways that may result in being mislead/having time wasted in the crucial times of learning. 

Post: BEWARE of Scamming/Misleading People

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

Something that I've noticed, that really frustrated me, are the snake oil salesman in real estate investing. 

If i can help anyone avoid being lied to by fake individuals I will. 

I am an investor in the Indiana area, but what I want to bring to your attention are the Podcasts/YouTube Videos/Seminars/etc.. that target unsuspecting beginners with the promise that they'll reveal the secrets of their method, give you the same method, and watch you grow. But what they really do is fill your head with good feelings and excitement, give you nothing, and place a GIANT price tag on their "package they offer". I cannot stand folk who do this and who are able to get over on a lot of kind-hearted investors looking to learn. 

Things to lookout for

1. Someone who claims to be an amazing investor that can teach you things, and they constantly are advertising for you to join their mailing list. 

This may seem unassuming at first glance, but 9 times out of 10 you will give your email hoping to gather some great information and maybe event connect with others. However, what you usually get immediately are a bunch of emails asking soliciting expensive mentor packages or "business building templates" for you to follow and reach success. 

There are TOOOO many legitimate resources out here (BP being one of them to allow these predatory salesman take advantage of a new investor's lack of knowledge).

2. Free Book!! Beware of all offers from someone telling you their give you a free book. 

The books are almost always targeted at beginners for a reason. It isn't by accident that every time you see these offers, it seems to be just for the topic you feel like you need to know about before you can begin...think about it. 

This whole premise ties into #1 on the list, 9 times out of 10, the person offering a free eBook or even free hard-copy books use this terminology as a way to get people to...you guessed it.....sign up on their mailing list. 

3. Celebrity Seminars in your LOCAL area.....for FREE!! Just sign up now.

This.....this one really gets under my skin. First, because I expect more upstanding business practices from the celebrities/successful investors, I imagine them to have strong morals. Second, because they strategically target people based on their internet searches, browser cookies, etc.

The issue with this is, again, 9.9 times out of 10, the seminar is truly free, which is a good thing. However, the downfall is that, the person who you recognized on the advertisement....will NOT be at the seminar. They will likely send someone to represent them. "Well that still sounds cool", you might say. Except that person they sent to represent them, isn't actually representing them at all, that person was sent to SELL you an expensive package for a multi-day seminar where the ACTUAL businessperson you came to see, will be. (For real this time).

And it gets better. Since you showed up in person, they will "cut" the price for you!! Instead of $Xx,xxx for the seminar, now it's only going to be $X,xxx!!!! Aren't you lucky?! Better sign up now before it's too late cause it's only a one day offer!....except the fact that tomorrow they'll be in the city next to yours offering The. Exact. Same. Thing. 

"So where on Earth can I go to really learn?!"

Great Question! There are so many FREE/Low Costing and LEGITIMATE sources of information out there if you're aware of them. 

1. Get a membership at your local library and download the Overdrive app on iOS or Android. What this app does is partner with your local library and allows you to electronically check out eBooks and read them at your leisure. FOR FREE!!! Almost all of the great eBooks you hear about should be offered by your public library (if you're in a larger/medium city). 

2. PODCASTS! PODCASTS! PODCASTS! These are self explanatory, listen to podcasts and then listen again and then listen a 3rd time. Bigger Pockets (of course). Robert Kiyosaki. Everyday is Saturday. There are just so many. Go find some and listen until your heart is content. The only thing I would urge you to do is do a little bit of research on the people in these podcasts before you get too deep. And as always, don't take every single word you hear in a podcast as gospel. 

3. Your local REIA. This goes without saying almost. If you're interested in learning more and connecting with local investors. Join your REIA and make sure it's free (some REIAs charge). But I will say that, even with REIAs, take the words with a grain of salt and DO YOUR RESEARCH on the speakers who come (guest speakers will come sometimes). Also, it's worth pointing out that sometimes there are people selling mentor packages at REIA meetings as well, I urge you to focus on relationship building and networking.

Those are just the main 3 that I can think of that I've seen time and time again and even been taken by on a few occasions. It doesn't make you less of an investor to bite on these kinds of things, it just makes you someone who was very eager to learn and unfortunately made for a perfect target for people to prey on a bit. 

Feel free to share your thoughts on this, add other things to look out for, or ask me any questions! I'll help where I can. I just hope this helps even one person level-set their expectations and tread more cautiously in this exciting business. 

:) 

Post: Who here is from Indianapolis?

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

Oh wow! Small world, what part of Texas?

Post: Who here is from Indianapolis?

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

@Andy Rumple Hey! Looking forward to connecting and seeing what can come to fruition! 

Post: Wholesale Contract/Offer Next steps - HELP!

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

@Joe Hughes

GREAT question. I've had the same response from buyers before and I felt like a deer caught in headlights. I'd hate to soil my reputation before I even start so I've slowed down on my aggressiveness with this until I figure this out

Curious to see replies

Post: Who here is from Indianapolis?

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

Local up and coming REI here and I'm looking to connect with other individuals in the area from BP. I regularly attend the INREIA meetings and they're fairly decent but I'm looking to expand and meet other people that may not be in the REIA meetings and have us all network!

I'm originally from Texas, born and raised. Went to college in the sunshine state and moved to Indy after graduation for my job. I've been here a few years and I'm ready to begin my long time dream of investing in real estate. 

Looking forward to chatting with you all! 

Post: Wholesale Contract/Offer Next steps - HELP!

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

@Nick Bryant

Yes this is true, once you have a buyers list you know who you want to sell to. But there's a huge gap in between acquiring the property and getting it to them. 

For example let's say buyer A wants a 1 bd 1 bath renovation. Boom. You know what to look for and you find it. BUT what no one really talks about is how exactly to A. get that property under the proper contract and B. Market it to your buyer(s) WITHOUT marketing the HOUSE, you can only market the contract *for* the house. Meaning you can't show your buyers pictures of the property and say this house will cost $xyz. You definitely can't show the property. 

So without even getting into individual state legal levels, I'm trying to gather a general understanding of how someone can even theoretically market a contract to buyers without the buyer even really knowing what's on the other end of that contract. 

Post: Wholesale Contract/Offer Next steps - HELP!

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

@John Thedford

Exactly! Which is where I have a loss of understanding because wholesaling is a thing, and people do it everyday without closing on the property themselves, but I haven't been able to fill in the gap of how they acquire and solicit those deals. 

Hmmm

Post: Wholesale Contract/Offer Next steps - HELP!

Evan ParkerPosted
  • Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 184
  • Votes 204

@John Thedford 

Potentially, but with trying to build up capital and experience in the area, would it be more wise for me not to jump into owning properties like that? 

I may be completely off the mark here, but it feels more reasonable to have my trial by fire be in the less risky way as my initial venture(s). I'd hate to purchase, have it be in my name and then become unable to find a buyer so now I have a property on my hands, that's in need of a rehab using capital that I don't have. 

And that still wouldn't really help the question I asked about how to actually market the deal.