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All Forum Posts by: Grant Shipman

Grant Shipman has started 78 posts and replied 268 times.

Post: Know about the Freddie/Fannie changes to the "due on sale" clause

Grant Shipman
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  • Estes Park, CO
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There were changes made to this issue w/in the last couple years. They concern being able to transfer a title into an LLC w/out the due on sale clause being enabled to be exercised by the lender.

Post: CoLiving Property Management That Works

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Quote from @Jacob St. Martin:
Quote from @Grant Shipman:
Quote from @Jacob St. Martin:

I am doing a house hack/coliving combo and it has been great! I am 2 years in and while turnover is relatively high, I have never had a single day of vacancy or any tenant drama or property damage. In fact, everyone in the house has gotten really close and it has turned into a great little community! I definitely plan to purchase more properties for coliving in the future!


 Cool to hear. What is the average tenancy of your renters and how are you trying to reduce this.  In my experience, stable/mature coliving households are based on low turnover. 


 My tenants are typically staying for 1-2 years. I am not really trying to reduce it. The reason is that my target demographic is naturally transient. Grad students and your professionals are typically not sticking around anywhere for very long. The key is that there is always an influx of more of those people from the university who are looking for somewhere to live for a year or two. 


 ah gotcha. you are doing graduate student housing.  cool niche. i've mainly stayed in the non-student niche although i have plenty of student who decide to rent.  Are you doing MTM leases? I'd be interested to hear what are the keys to your success so far. 

Post: CoLiving Property Management That Works

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Quote from @Kim Meredith Hampton:

Did two co-living communities back in 2000 in Florida for a developer who designed for Seniors. Was a great plan with 5 suites and a shared living/dining/laundry and kitchen. Each building had 6 units with 30 tenants and an elevator. the community had a pool, gated, events, hair salon/barber and a bus that took them shopping and dr visits. I helped from the dirt up, building, investors, furniture etc… Each “suite” was furnished and included utilities. 

We also had a lease for each resident and a master lease. Was tricky, but can be done 

Was a lot of work, but I think would be great in this day and age with the so-needed affordable housing initiatives 


This is cool to hear!  Some of my houses have niched and others have been setup with a niche (like senor living or sober living).  Other of my houses have remained non-niched and thrived.  I was struck by how you said it was a lot of work. What PM rate (i.e. 10%) would you think makes this extra work worth it to a PMC? 

Post: CoLiving Property Management That Works

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Quote from @Erwin Groenendijk:

Guys, the thing is that room rental is an old concept that is known as something students always did and managed themselves with all the challenges that bring. 

Yes, it is more management intensive. Also right on higher turn-overs, the drama of more people living together, and yes they also wear down furniture faster than a normal family would do that buys their furniture themselves. 

The thing is that coliving is based on the room rental strategy and yet at the same time something completely different management-wise. If you want to manage coliving spaces in the right way it is important to set up a proper structure that is including customer service, maintenance, cleaning, and community management (and more). Including weekly cleaning for example which is not only for cleaning purposes but also for maintaining the quality of the apartment with direct communication with the maintenance and customer service team. The margins coliving brings should be invested in these teams to maintain control.

The entry barrier to start a coliving space is low, the next steps to make it a steady, bigger thing is the tricky part.

We own a coliving business in Barcelona (Spain) with over 300 rooms (aiming at 1000 rooms in the upcoming three years) and had our fair share of **** coming at us in the last two years 😉 


 Cool to hear about your experience. I've seen operations like yours that off a lot of DFY services (i.e. cleaning).  I think this can work when targeted to a higher net income niche of people who don't want to clean up after themselves nor work-out how to be a household- Barcelona, San Fran, & London are excellent locals for this.  How's your turnover look and what are your lease lengths if you don't mind sharing.  Have you tried households that mostly self run with the tools/context that the PMC give them?  I'd love to hear what your conflict resolution system is between house members (what tool do they have to solve their own conflicts?).  This has been our secret sauce and greatly reduced turnover. 

Post: CoLiving Property Management That Works

Grant Shipman
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Quote from @Jacob St. Martin:

I am doing a house hack/coliving combo and it has been great! I am 2 years in and while turnover is relatively high, I have never had a single day of vacancy or any tenant drama or property damage. In fact, everyone in the house has gotten really close and it has turned into a great little community! I definitely plan to purchase more properties for coliving in the future!


 Cool to hear. What is the average tenancy of your renters and how are you trying to reduce this.  In my experience, stable/mature coliving households are based on low turnover. 

Post: CoLiving Property Management That Works

Grant Shipman
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Coliving or Rent-By-The-Room rental properties are known for high turn over, tenant drama, and property damage.  Who else wants to join with me in setting a new standard here?!  Over the past 22 years I've refined how to manage coliving properties borrowing from the wisdom/tradition of subcultures who have done this for centuries.  It's clear to me that if there is high turnover, drama, property damage it has nothing to do with the type of rental strategy but the quality of its execution.  Who else is with me here?  Please share thought, questions, challenges, etc.  Time to turn the tides! 

Post: SoCal House Hack Idea’s with little saved

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@Alexis Johnson

Start down the road. Worst case scenario you find out the numbers don't work yet and you've learned and grown and made good contacts.  Best case scenario you buy a great property with solid cashflow.  High upside now down side.  I'd encourage you to speak with at least 5 lenders to see what they can do with you.  Find a lender to tell you what you can do not what you can't- it's their job to help you navigate the loan world. Don't put up with lenders who don't give you their best. 

If you want their best, give them your best by doing the following:

1)  Create a secure online folder (like google drive) w/the following documents: pic of your drivers license, previous 2 tax returns, previous 2 months bank statements, previous two months pay stubs, screen shot of your credit score (like from creditKarma or something). 

2) Call up a lender. If they seem like they are worth your time, ask them if you can share your online folder w/them for them to briefly look over and give you real options for your real situation.  Tell them if there's a chance, then you are happy to fill out their online loan application.  Filling out loan apps can take a lot of time, so save your time by having them glance over your documents in the online folder first.  (hint- if you are using google you will need a gmail email account they use). 

3) Share the folder w/the lender. Remember to share "view only" and keep this folder secure, as it has your important info on it. 

4) You might even be able to share the folder w/them while they are on the phone w/you when you initially call. This depends on their schedule. 

5) Even if you've found an amazing lender, repeat the above steps with 5 lenders. 

Pro Tips: 

-ask the lender good questions and take notes so you can compare the lenders by looking over your notes later: How many loans did they close last year? How many loans have they closed so far this year? Are they a mortgage broker (you want a mortgage broker)?  Will they give you suggestions on how to qualify for loans that you currently don't (i.e. getting a cosigner)? 


When you decide on a lender, ask them for realtor recommendations. You want someone that they recommend and work together well with.  These two will be your key team. 

There's my best thoughts for you. Go live your day dreams! 

Post: When a downturn challenges a Creative Hustler

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When a Downturn challenges a Creative Hustler

Post: House Hacking Financing

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Quote from @Zack Karp:

@Grant Shipman if you read my first post, yes I mentioned both VA and USDA, but neither of these are applicable for the OP. Which is why I said he has 2 options.

When I say low down payment, I am talking 5% or less. Yes, there are much more expensive options out there for 10% down and 15% down. However, if you really do the math, when you factor in the cost of the rate and fees/points, and the potential prepayment penalty to get out of the loan quickly, frankly they will just eat away at your profits. I am not a fan of these loans unless you have zero other options. And I wrote a lot of subprime loans back in the day, I can speak from experience. These newer loan products are the same thing just packaged with a new PC name, because no one wants to call it subprime again after that meltdown. I'd rather see someone get financial help from a partner or family member and put 20% down, than these non-QM/DSCR/hard money/whatever you want to label them, loans. Just my 2 cents...


 Thanks!  I thought I had read all the comments, so I'll go back an re-read. Thanks again Zack :) 

Post: What is a recession? It's returning capital to rightful owners

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There's a lot of discussion/learning on what is a recession compared to a correction and if we are in one. 

Ultimately, a recession only means to you what you make it mean.  

During a strong economy, many people can make money as long as they are good at selling.  During an economy's darker times, is when those of us with solid businesses will stand out and excel. 

It's also a time when those of you/us who want to start or buy a solid business will stand out and excel. 

ps- by "business" I mean all of us with rental properties.