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All Forum Posts by: Hassan O.

Hassan O. has started 20 posts and replied 72 times.

Post: Passive income on rental

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Christopher Rodriguez. The short answer is yes. There are much better ways to make rental income than go in at that price. For a property to generate a decent cash flow you would have to put down about 30-40% of the purchase price which means you would tie that money up for years (opportunity cost). You will not have access to those funds for other opportunities. In addition, if one of the units goes vacant covering the cost of the vacancy and getting it ready for the next tenant can eat up tour profits for much of the year. I’m in San Diego and the market here in my opinion is way too high to make a purchase now unless you can get a decent discount. The market could turn south very quickly meaning your money could be locked up longer than expected. 

On this website there are numerous spreadsheets that show what the cash flow may look like with various down payments and interest rates. Plug the numbers in and decide if the math makes sense. At the same time take a look at properties out of state and compare returns.


One last thing, buy a couple of books on rentals and multifamily properties to educate your self. 

Post: Questions for Syndication GPs

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Russell Beach

Hi. I like Michael Blanks' spreadsheet, but also use a few others for underwriting. You should run your numbers in a variety of spreadsheets so that you get comfortable looking at numbers and understanding other investors techniques/points of view. 

One of the best way to get started is by you joining with a more experienced team in your market. Yes, you will more than likely have to give away a lot more of the deal than you want to on your first deal, however the network you build and the skills you develop will make that cost well worth it. At the end of the day, it's all about leverage.

With all that said, try this:

1. Start with how much income you want to pull in annually in the form of distributions per unit (net monthly rental income x 12) PLUS the net profits on resale you want to realize.

2. If you want to participate in fees, take some time to calculate how much you need to pull in and in what form (acquisition fees, asset management, etc)

3. Do some basic algebra and calculate what the deal size in dollars and the number of apartment units needs to hit your numbers, while keeping in mind that you have to share the fees and profits with the other members of the GP as well as the LP investors. You also need to keep in mind the types of returns each would expect, the desired ratios, profits, etc. For example the GP team has a 30% stake, 2.3% Acquisition fee and 1% annual asset mgt fee. Calculate the numbers with you having stakes at various sizes in the GP (50% of the 30% or 25%of30%, 10%of30%, 5%of30%)

4. On top of all this there are also the debt considerations. DSCR, interest rates, LTV and more. It's an interesting exercise that will give you more clarity.

5. Once you have this all in place, do a market survey to find out which market has the inventory in sufficient quantity, what they cost on average and the potential for 2-4%+ annual rental increases for making all this work in a reasonable time frame (5-7 years) and start working your plan.

So, maybe in the class C category in a market there are properties currently renting for around $930, but per the comparables have an upside of $960/month within a year with simple renovations and up to around $1,120 in 5 years with a more extensive plan. If you want to pull in $12,000 per year from distributions in the first year how many units does the property need to have with the constraints of lender DSCR requirements, your GP split, LP Split and your income goals? 70 units? 100? 200? If you want to pull in $300k in profits on resale for yourself, what is the minimum value of the deal going in and coming out? What are your cap rates, IRR, etc?

Hope this helps. Please let me know if this makes sense or if there's something I need to elaborate on.

Without giving out identifying info on your deal, what does the opportunity look like? Units, age, class, value, market, etc. If you want to discuss offline, I'm available

Post: Multifamily Syndication - GP Contribution

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Pete Largo

What are you trying to do? Yes, syndication is possible, but what size, class, value, condition and location?

Also, you don't have to take the lead on your first project. Just as you would use the debt as leverage, you can also ride along with another with the experience, bal sheet and liquidity.

In regards to the GP contribution, it depends on your posture with the other investors and skill level. It can be at any level. As for the fees, such as acquisition fees, what are thoughts on it or how would you like to use it? (restate your question, please :-) )

Post: Multi-Family Underwriting Practice

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Quinton Sanicola

One of the best things you can do is get examples of properties already underwritten on different spreadsheet templates so you can see how more experienced people run the numbers. What size deals are you interested in and what are your income/returns expectations?

Post: Multi Family Underwriting Practice

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Quinton Sanicola

What market are you interested in? Also whose underwriting spreadsheet are you using?

Post: Seeking advice/Out of State Units

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

@Jason Gaxiola & @Kevin V.

Hi, I'm in San Diego and am focused on San Antonio and Austin, Tx. There are many great opportunities in each, plus the math makes a heck of a lot more sense than SOCAL. The best way to begin is to have an idea of what you want (not what have), create a little marketing plan to network and educate yourself on the business. It's also a good idea to have folks that are physically nearby you that have the same focus that you have the ability to interact in person with. And of course you need a team in the market you are interested in.

I regards to what you want, maybe start with a monthly income number plus backend profits. If you want to do it on your own, there's a limit on what you can do at first. If you decide to work with a team a lot more doors will open for you. The question is what do you want?

Post: Where to invest in 2021 as an out of state

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

What are your investing goals? Timeframes, returns desired, etc. Have you invested in real estate in the past?

Post: sending out text blasts

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

What size, value and class are you focused on?

Post: looking for hidden gem cities to purchase multifamily

Hassan O.Posted
  • Investor
  • San Diego, CA
  • Posts 75
  • Votes 30

What size, class and value of multifamily are you asking about? Please be a bit more specific