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All Forum Posts by: Jason Allen

Jason Allen has started 3 posts and replied 100 times.

Post: No Bites w/ Current Marketing

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Quote from @Jason R.:

A positive update, I advertised on Zillow yesterday and now have 10 people scheduled for an open house. I'm a bit shocked that all of these sites generated zero interest. 

What are your thoughts on pre-screeners and applications? 

Of course youd want someone to fill out a pre-screener right away, however how do you approach them filling out an application? Do you wait until they have seen the home in person? Ive read some people do it prior to make sure they are serious. 

Also, how to answer when asked if you accept "vouchers" for section 8?

Zillow's background check is OK to use as a pre-screener (and only that), since it's cheap and can be used for multiple properties. Obviously use a real background check, like mysmartmove or rentprep, before you move forward on any applicant. I used to use an online screener, but in all honesty, very few applicants will actually end up filling them out.

I've found it's best, and actually quickest, to screen by phone. People, other than sociopaths and practiced liars, have a harder time lying to you verbally, at least compared to just "forgetting" a few evictions when filling out what is essentially an online survey. Especially if they aren't paying any money for it. If you run through a pre-screen by phone, you will get better at detecting when people aren't being completely honest and can either dig deeper or politely end the call and refer them to your "future" open house. 

Or if everything seemingly checks out, then schedule an actual showing right after, since they are already on the phone with you. Of course, it goes without saying that you need to verify everything from the pre-screen (so you don't actually end up renting to one of those smooth-talking sociopaths) and run a real BGC(not Zillow). 

As for Section 8, if it's not illegal in your state (this does vary by state, but you should already know if you are in a landlord-unfriendly state or not), just say, "we're unable to accept any vouchers at this time." 

Quote from @Roger Doyon:

My wife and I are divorcing (amicably). As part of that, we've agreed that I will take 100% of our shared savings and invest in an income-producing property that will will live in, house hack, rent etc. Be the landlord and do all that work. She would retain 50% equity since she's contributing 50% of the down payment. She cannot qualify for a house but I can. I will be on the hook for alimony but we don't know for how much yet.

This plan does several things: it allows me to offset a future alimony payment, gets me into investing, and helps to secure a financial future for us both (to whatever extent the property appreciates).

Two questions: 

1: Will I have to disclose to the mortgage lender that I will have an alimony obligation in my future?

2: What legal form (if any) should this arrangement take? I don't want her (nor does she want) any decision-making or expense obligations around the property. All income would flow to me and I would take all tax benefits. 

As everyone else says, if you two couldn't make the marriage work, why would you be able to make this type of business arrangement work?  If you go through with it, the most likely outcome is that in a few years you will look back and wonder why you did something so stupid. Do your future self a favor...
Quote from @Dan V.:

Surprised this has not popped up as much, but maybe people aren't printing.

How did Zillow support or so respond to you? I tried messaging myself but they don't have an easy support service to reach ...

I also have seen that when printing (vs. screenshotting) the credit scores from Zillow. A bigger (and much more important) issue is that Zillow "verifies" the ID's, but then doesn't show it to you. So when the scammer steals someone's identity and applies, you won't catch it. An even bigger issue is that Zillow routinely misses evictions and criminal charges that a quick docket search in the locations listed in in the credit report turns up. Zillow is not a good or reliable background check tool. We used to use it for several years, but it has missed literally dozens of red flags and we no longer can trust it.

Post: No Bites w/ Current Marketing

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Quote from @Jason R.:

Hello all, 

I am curious if the market is slowing down or is it just a bad time of the year to market a home near the Denver area? 

I recently had marginal tenants move out of my Lakewood home and have spent just over a month fixing and cleaning things around the home. 

I know the best time to market a home is between spring and end of summer. However, I remember in the past people would blow up my inbox with requests to view the home. 

Now, its been on the market over a week with no views. 

I am currently using Turbotenant to market the home, which utilizes many websites (mostly free sites) however it does not post to Zillow. 

Would you recommend using Zillow? 

Thanks


 You definitely want to hit a few sites; I would suggested, in addition to TurboTenant, Avail (which will syndicate to a lot of other sites) and Zillow, of course. If you're really low on leads, you could try Facebook Marketplace, but keep in mind it's going to be 99% tire-kickers.

Post: Tenant Screening single mother of 3

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Quote from @Theresa Harris:
Quote from @Jerry L.:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

All that should matter is if she meets your screening criteria.  Does the income meet your minimums to cover the rent?


 She hasn't told me how much she makes a month from child support, but she said she receives a generous amount and she should let me know, and I assume a background check should tell me on smart move? maybe. I did ask if she would be able to show proof of child support amount per month if needed and she said that wouldn't be a problem. 


 If you normally do a background check, then do one.  Also proof of income is a good move regardless of what the income is.

... And if you don't do a background check, I don't expect you to last in this business very long...
Quote from @Lance Mel:


Hello BiggerPockets community,

I've been exploring the idea of investing in a Section 8 rental property in one of the Tier A-1 Full Coverage zip codes listed on the payment standards for my city. Most discussions on this forum seem to focus on Section 8 investments in lower-income areas, but I'm curious if anyone has experience purchasing a property in a more affluent or decent area for Section 8 rentals.

I understand that the dynamics can be different in these neighborhoods, and I'd love to hear from anyone who has taken this approach. What challenges did you face, and what were the advantages of choosing such a location? How did you find the right property, and what was the tenant screening process like?

Your insights and experiences would be greatly appreciated as I consider this strategy. Thank you for your help!

I would recommend against it. Affluent areas tend have better market applicants & tenants, and you probably wouldn't need Sec 8 tenants, who as a group, are a lot rougher on properties and tend to be a headache to deal with. As well as the federal government inserting themselves into the relationship. 

Read these postings, and if you still think renting A/B properties section 8 is a good idea, you deserve what you're going to get: 

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/1133833-section-8-killing-the-stigma

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/52/topics/1143359-breaking-the-section-8-stigma


Quote from @Yangyang Jin:

Calling attention for Landlord and Realtors, how would you approached the listing the rental properties? I have just finished rennovating my duplex in central New Jersey. And have listed for a week now, only have two showings. As I am anxious to rent them out and wanted to know why there is so limited showing. Below are some of my observations and I wanted to get your opinion, and how would you have handled this to attract more showings and speed up the process. 

1) I tried to look up my rental property online ( my realtor listed this for), I am not able to find this property as an active rental on Zillow, trulia and apartment rental websites, I know it got listed on MLS. Does my agent put too much limit on where to advertise the rental property?

2) My agent has gotten approached by quite a number of potential tenants, but instead of showing them the property first. She sends application form and background check forms for them to fill out before they even get to see the property. Her rational is that she is not comfortable about showing the property without knowing much about the candidates. 

The more I think about this approach, the more I think there is a mismatch here. Number 1 proberly limited potential quality tenants finding this active listing, number 2 deters potential good tenants because of the strict process in place before showing. 

I started to wonder if this is a mis match of the project and the agent. She is a good residential agent and excels in buying and selling. But she was not extremely comfortable about taking on this rental project from the very beginning. A few things included not willing to use my contract template but realtor standard template, and told me she does not do much rental, and the time she spent on rental is just as much on buy & sell but much less commission. I also realzied she lives a little far from the rental property and possibly becasue of all of these reasons that she went with the approach 1 &2 as I mentioned above? 

Look forward to hearing your perspective and feedback. 

If she's actually requesting a full background check just to see it, that's a little much. Most people will balk at paying $60 just to see a place. Obviously you need a full background check once you extend an offer, but a quick pre-screen, either online or over the phone, that doesn't cost them anything should be enough. Yes, a few people, or a lot if you are unlucky, will lie during the pre-screen, but most of them won't actually pay to get the screening where you will find their evictions and felonies. Some will though, and that will waste your time... but you can't fix stupid.

Also, you should list on multiple places. I'm not saying just throw it on FB marketplace (where you'll get a LOT of leads, but most will be trash) or Craigslist (where you'll have a lot of leads that actually follow up, but it will be trashy people), but you probably want to at least be on Zillow (even if their screening is trash).

Post: Thinking of buying in New York

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Quote from @Alecia Loveless:

@Keith Tarasiewicz I have family in Upstate New York and periodically think of buying something there. Then I am reminded of how difficult NY is to landlords, how much red tape there is for permits, how high taxes are, how awful it is if you are an out of state investor, etc etc And I do not buy there.

Is it all of NY, or just NYC? I know NYC is a nightmare, but is upstate bad too?
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Zillow Credit Scores are not only wrong, they are totally random!! When you hit print on a Zillow Application Credit Score, you get a different result every single time. WTH!!  Can someone explain this?

I tested this several times, even went to a differnt computer. The 3 examples below were printed within minutes. Its basically pick your own score. If you did not like the first one, just print another one. I did some research and looks like I am not the first one to discover this?

There is no way Zillow is not aware of this!!

We have literally an eviction at the moment with someone, who per Zillow had excellent credit. We based the decision on the score shown on the screen and when the troubles started we brushed it off as a misunderstanding, because the person had excellent credit. Until we discovered the score is different every time you print!

Can someone verify what we are experiencing here?


 WTAF...

Quote from @Taylor L.:

I'm for it because I support freedom of choice on the part of investors. However, this doesn't fully absolve syndicators of the responsibility of understanding their investors' situations and qualifications.

Syndications are highly illiquid investments; someone who passes this test but still has a net worth of, say, $100,000, should not invest in the typical syndication that has a $50k minimum. If these tests are legally approved, syndicators should continue to evaluate and understand their investors' financial positions prior to bringing them into a deal.Syndi

 Syndications are illiquid compared to stocks or bonds, not compared to traditional RE

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