All Forum Posts by: James Gates

Hey Frank!

Traditional Financing, 30 year fixed, 5%

Graphics are from the BP BRRRR Calculator, its pretty sweet if you haven't checked it out.

-James

 Hey Scott,

I think you might be looking at it the wrong way. With the BRRRR method, my partner and I created 25% forced equity into the home. 25% of $175,000 is $43,750. We split that equity 50/50, so he immediately gained almost $22,000 in profit that will be realized when we exit the property. He also gained a cash-flowing appreciating tax-favored asset that he did not have to find, negotiate, rehab, or manage. He received every penny of his investment back, the only thing he lost was the opportunity cost of 6 months of investment. He is stuck into the deal for zero dollars. If this property appreciates 3% a year (which is conservative for this area) he will gain an additional $2,625 a year in equity. If we exit in 7 years his profit will be over $40,000 (not counting the cash-flow received in the interim!) on a $0 investment.

-James

Hey Ruchir, the Huntsville market is hot right now, if I could recommend one thing is just stick to your guns and your numbers. We went months of putting in almost daily offers without finding a deal that met our criteria, we were getting beat site unseen by other out-of-state investors, but as long as you stick to what you are comfortable with you are much more protected against getting burned.

I'm not sure what the rules are for lender recommendations but shoot me a PM and I'll give you the lender I've been working with and have been satisfied with.

-James

Hey Jashiel,

One benefit of working in Real Estate on the side is I have a full-time W2 job, which banks love to see. The paperwork of refinancing a property is much easier when you have steady income, so if possible keep your 9-5 as long as you can or until you complete the refinances on all the properties you are working on.

-James

Hey Abigail, the pictures I posted were the BiggerPockets BRRRR Calculator, but my partner created a Google Sheets spreadsheet very similar that we use for all our properties. Whatever way helps you understand the numbers works!

Thank you Mark!

Hey Vincent!

I would highly recommend checking out David Green's books (BRRRR Book, Out of State Investing) for tips on managing rehabs from afar. They really have some great advice and helped me build confidence. I did not fly out and meet the contractors originally but have since met them in person. I have found a combination of Facetime and Texting (daily/weekly updates) has worked for me, and of course, I always have a 3rd party (property manager, wholesaler, agent) walkthrough after the work is done to make sure it is complete and up to standards.

Hey Dustin! Thanks for the price comparison. We had about 1,100 sq ft of flooring, paid about $3/sq ft for the materials and another $2.00 to install. We decided to go with really nice LVP for this project due to the higher class area, but looking back I would have done with a LVP closer to the $2 range and I should have gotten the labor down as well. Definitely a learning experience.

As for Rustoleum, I would definitely check it out. Costs about 1/10th the cost of granite, it has been pretty durable, and for our market it doesn't seem to affect the ARV's or the rents we have been able to receive.

-James

Thanks Alex! 

Hey BiggerPockets!

I was absolutely blown away by the amazing responses, encouragement, and detailed questions from my first BRRRR post, so I figured I would share our journey on a recently completed BRRRR deal.

Background: 

My business partner and I began our investing journey 15 months ago by BRRRR'ing a 3/2 townhome in Madison, Al. We have narrowed our focus to the Huntsville MSA, and including that first purchase we have added 8 units to our portfolio, and are currently under contract on 5 additional units scheduled to close by the end of the year. It has been an unbelievably rewarding (and hectic!) year, but we have learned a lot about the business and have grown from our mistakes on each deal. One of the most gratifying parts of the journey was building up our local montlhy Real Estate Meetup from 4 people to an average of close to 30.

Enough of the preamble let's get into the deal.

The Deal:

This property is a 3/2 SFH in Madison, Al. The property has 1,528 sq ft of living space, a 2-car garage, a covered patio, and sits on a large corner lot. It is located in one of the best cities in Northern Alabama, with fantastic school ratings and a median home price of $260,000. The home was built-in 1986, and had been vacant for the last 5 years. I knew based on comps that this property would be worth between $160K-$180 after all repairs, which would make it a perfect candidate for the BRRRR strategy.

How did we FIND the deal?

We found this deal solely on the power of networking. My partner and I live in California and happened to have a client that had family in Huntsville (the neighboring city to Madison). It just so happen that on one of our trips to Huntsville, we met up with the family member and they mentioned they had a friend that was looking to sell their property. The property was in very rough shape but in a fantastic neighborhood. We drove by the property and contacted the seller, but nothing ever became of it. Six months later the seller reached out to see if we were still interested in purchasing the property. We absolutely were, and after some negotiations, we were able to agree on a cash price of $85,000. 

How did we FUND the deal?

My partner and I had no liquid cash (we were all tied up with properties awaiting refinances), so we had no choice but to bring in an equity partner on the deal. A friend of mine had previously asked about partnering on a deal, he had the cash but not the knowledge or time to do a deal on his own. We structured an agreement where he would put up 100% of the funds (purchase + rehab), I would manage all aspects of the acquisition, rehab, and refinance, and we would split all equity and cash-flow 50/50 after his initial funds were returned. 50% of a great deal is better than 0% of no-deal. 

Rehab: 

This property needed a full rehab. We immediately replaced the roof which had accumulated 5 years of tree limbs and leaves, and installed new gutters. Soffit and Fascia boards needed to be replaced due to rot from the damaged roof. We replaced about half of the wooden fence with high-quality cedar. We replaced the AC Unit and ductwork (squirrels and eaten through it). We installed new LVP floors in all bedrooms, walkways, and dining rooms (ripping out the old carpet, we try to stay away from carpet on all our rentals). New tile in the kitchen and dining room. The entire house got a fresh coat of paint (interior + exterior). We did a light interior remodel consisting of new light fixtures, a fireplace remodel, Rust-Oleum painted kitchen countertops (can not recommend this enough!), and new appliances. The rehab period took just under 3 months.

Rehab Numbers:

• Roof replacement (30 year w/ warranty). - $7,400
• New Gutters- $1,500
• Replace section of privacy fence - $2,100
• New Interior Luxury Vinyl Plank Flooring - $5,600
• Interior Remodel - $3,800
• Water Damage Repair from Old Roof - $2,200
• Kitchen remodel: Refinished countertops, new tile, new fixtures and appliances - $4,500
• All Interior freshly painted - $1,500
• All Exterior freshly painted - $2,500
• Exterior Fascia/Trim/Soffit Repaired/Replaced - $2,900
• Brand New AC Unit Installed / New Ductwork - $6,500
• Dumpster Rental: $450
• Trash Out: $1,000

Total Cost of Rehab: $42,000

Rental Period:

We knew based on rental compts that a fully rehabbed property in that school district would rent quickly. Comps showed rental rates between $1,250 - $1,400 per month. We decided to list it at the top of the range for $1,400, and it rented after two days on the market. 

After the 3rd month, we had a renter in the property, but we did not have mortgage yet, so we were cash-flowing BIG!

The Refinance:

Okay, down to the last hurdle to clear before completing this deal. We made it out of the rehab period alive and found a great tenant. The property is cash-flowing and things are great. Only problem? We have $128K "stuck" into the deal. Time to get our investor paid back. We contacted the same bank we have been using for our other refinances, and began the initial paperwork and ordered the appraisal. Based on recent comps in the area, I was confident the home would appraise for somewhere between $170K-$180K. The appraisal came in at $175K, which ended up being perfect for our numbers. The terms were good, 30-year fixed, 5.00% interest rate, 3K in closing costs, 75% LTV. We received a check of 75% of the ARV = $131,250, minus 3K in refinancing costs for a net total of $128,250! We were only into the deal for $128K (85K purchase + 1K closing + 42K rehab), so we received all the money we had put in, plus a small payday. We had created forced 25% equity ($43,750), which we will eventually recoup when we 1031 Tax-Deferred exchange the property in a 7-10 years. In addition, we have a tenant paying down the principal balance on the loan, as well as receiving $155 in net-positive cash-flow after accounting for all expenses (10% management, 8.3% vacancy, 10% maintainence + capex (remember this property has a brand new roof and AC and is fully rehabbed). A visual of the numbers break-down looks like this:

Technically since we have no money left into the deal the cash-on-cash return is "Infinite."

Let's See Some Pictures!

Before Photos

After Photos

What did we learn?

A lot. This was by far our biggest rehab to date. We underestimated the rehab budget and the time required to complete the project by about 30%. We didn't account for the summer stormy weather and should have began with the exterior painting. We lost 2 weeks just due to the rain when all that was left to do was paint the exterior. Most of all we learned that as long as you are conservative with your numbers, there is much less than can go wrong. When we originally underwrote the deal we expected the ARV to come in at 155K and the rent to be $1,200. We were off on our rehab numbers but because of the conservative ARV and rents, the property still was a textbook BRRRR deal and is now a cash-flowing rental which we plan to hold for 7-10 years (because most of the major components are new).

What's next?

We started 2019 with two units and if all goes well next month we will end up 13. It has been an exhilarating couple of months and I can not thank BiggerPockets enough for the constant resource overload and positive reinforcement that this community has become. Without the encouragement to take that initial step that this website provided my partner and I would still be listening to podcasts and dreaming of one day making a move, instead of owning cash-flowing Real Estate TODAY. Do your future self a favor, and make that first/second/tenth move.

I would be more than happy to answer any questions or comments you might have on the BRRRR process, no matter how specific or general. Our journey has not been perfect, but we've done just enough things right and learned from our mistakes (and the mistakes of others) to keep us going in the right direction.

HERE TO A GREAT 2020!

-James