All Forum Posts by: Jim Groves
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Post: Alternatives to Hard Money Lenders

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Originally posted by @Lisa Fowler:
Have you guys heard of Groundfloor? (www.groundfloor.us) I think they're in NC & GA right now, but it's basically a crowd-funding alternative to RE financing. I've been wanting to try a flip, but I like being able to put small $ in someone else's flip on Groundfloor and getting a decent return without a lot of risk. If I needed hard $, I would check them out. I do think they have fairly stringent qualifiers, but if you've been in the business for a while, it shouldn't be a problem. It may not be an option for the first-time investor.
Groundfloor is a solid portal but doesn't garner the same attention as the bigger platforms because they are focused on GA intrastate deals. Since you're in Roswell, and I'm assuming you are looking for ATL area fix and flips, it's worth checking out.
Post: Business Structures for land development and new home construction

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Originally posted by @Sophia Wang:
Originally posted by @Jim Groves:
Yes, we had options on the land, completed the zoning, purchased the land and then subdivided it into residential parcels. We did not pursue the development of the homes, figuring that local builders carried a better brand name then we would. One of the projects was outside of Richmond, BTW.
I prefer to stay in the land development side. The builders bring their own financing and take the risk of resale. In Richmond, figure the land parcel roughly equals 10-15% of the ultimate home sale price. The builder has the experience and advantage of access to local subs to deliver the homes in a more cost effective manner.
That is AMAZING! 10-15% is really low, do you mean that is the price you buy the unimproved land, and how much percentage you sell the lots for in the end? I have been seeing general guideline of 20% in this forum lately.
Bear in mind that was some time ago when home prices were in decline, but you're right, you're probably more in the 20% range today.
Post: Business Structures for land development and new home construction

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Yes, we had options on the land, completed the zoning, purchased the land and then subdivided it into residential parcels. We did not pursue the development of the homes, figuring that local builders carried a better brand name then we would. One of the projects was outside of Richmond, BTW.
I prefer to stay in the land development side. The builders bring their own financing and take the risk of resale. In Richmond, figure the land parcel roughly equals 10-15% of the ultimate home sale price. The builder has the experience and advantage of access to local subs to deliver the homes in a more cost effective manner.
Post: Business Structures for land development and new home construction

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Originally posted by @Sophia Wang:
Do you use different business entities to buy/subdivide the land parcel and build new homes on the subdivided lots?
I've structured a couple JVs with resi home development and it wasn't necessary to create separate entities. We entered a contract with a home developer that agreed to buy lots from us at a specified price upon delivery (grading, roads, water, sewer, utilities).
Post: Real Estate Crowdfunding - Experiences, thoughts, etc.

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Originally posted by @Ian Ippolito:
endvest.com, is planning to have an offering for nonaccredited investors available in a few months.
Regarding underwriting: every site will tell you that their underwriting process is the best, but few sites reveal every single part of their underwriting process.
But Patch of Land is a favorite of many investors I've talked to. They do a good job of laying out all of that underwriting on the site, where some competitors don't. I really like the fact that they pre-fund their investments, meaning that if the investment stinks and no one funds it, they will be stuck with it on their balance sheet. As a result, they have an extra strong incentive to do very good underwriting.
@Ian Ippolito - I agree with your comment regarding underwriting. If there is one takeaway I have in the CRE industry, it's that everyone thinks they're better at underwriting than the next guy. Although understanding their process would be helpful, I don't think anyone can predict what deals work out and which ones don't. All I ask is that you appropriately price the deal and check that the facts presented are true and correct.
In regards to the comment about pre-funding I want to be clear that this is not any criticism of PoL, a site that I respect a lot. "Pre-Funding" is not risk retention. Mortgage lenders and conduit lenders all prefund loans. If that represented true skin-in-the-game, there wouldn't be a need for Dodd-Frank regs. An exec from a major conduit lender once said to a large audience "A good real estate loan is one that I can sell". Understand that these sites are in the moving business, not the storage business. Risking their capital, even if on a temporary basis, is still better than nothing but does not represent the same risk that it does to you, the investor.
In the crowdfunding business we have to get comfortable with Asymmetric Information. The sponsor will always know more than we do, so I want to see them risk more than I do. If I don't see that from a sponsor, I would prefer to see a major investor with knowledge of the market risking more. I feel more comfortable when a major investor has blessed a deal with their own capital. That's the direction I see this business going.
Post: NNN Absentee/out of state investing

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Originally posted by @Daniel Chang:
Hoping @Joel Owens or someone more experienced in Triple nets can answer.
If looking to invest in an out of state, NNN single corporate lease 10+ years (ie Family Dollar, Starbucks, etc.), how important is it to do actual physical due diligence? I'm not talking about market conditions, financials, comps, etc. I'm talking about having contractors inspect the roof, HVAC, foundation, etc.
I know the best answer is to always do this in case the tenant goes dark. I'm not looking for the best answer. I'm looking for the practical, general investor experience answer.
If you can get a copy of the lease, review to see what the LL and Tenant responsibilities are for on-going maintenance. If the landlord is responsible for HVAC, Parking, Roof, etc., I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to get access for inspection as it would serve the tenant as well but you should definitely do it. The cost of the inspection is a fraction of the rehab.
But regardless of the condition of the property, I wouldn't buy if I thought the tenant wasn't going to stay at that location. Where the cap rates are these days, you can't afford significant downtime.
Post: Now is a great tune to cash-out refinance!

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Originally posted by @Jon Q.:
I'm not a banker, nor do I broker mortgages or get paid any compensation to refer those seeing to refinance.
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I believe that many markets are now peaking.
Now is an excellent time to get access to the equity you've built up through a cash out refi (rates low, property prices high). Then hold on to the cash and wait for the next buying opportunity in your market once prices drop OR invest in another market close to or near a bottom.
If you think the market is going to drop, wouldn't you be better off selling? A cash out refi is great until the loan reaches maturity and you can't sell or refinance. That's what happened in 2008.
Post: What are typical apartment syndication returns for an investor?

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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
I like your website is it free to join... ? it was neat to be able to click on different platforms links and get taken right to the portal.
Personally I think this is the new wave of HML and commercial deals that have a hard time getting banks or insurance company loans.
Yes @Jay Hinrichs, the site is free to join. I don't charge money for access, I'm looking to build a community where we can all contribute local knowledge to the deals that are being crowdfunded. The rating model doesn't work yet for typical HML deals, as it's designed for current or near current cash flow properties. I'm working on something that should hopefully work for non-cashflowing assets.
Post: What are typical apartment syndication returns for an investor?

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Originally posted by @Jeff L.:
What CoC returns do you typically see as an investor who puts money into a syndication deal for apartments? (As a passive investor, not the person who puts the deal together).
How does it compare to investing in your own SFRs? Is it more or less lucrative, or about the same?
It seems to me like most syndicated deals are about buy -> improve -> sell. Are there deals where the owners hold indefinitely to reap the cash flow? If I'm looking to hold long term for the cash flow, are syndicated deals a good option?
Above post is pretty standard, but if it's a larger deal with more equity required I would expect a better split. In my view, if the deal is lower on cash flow but has higher upside (IRR), go with the 8% pref and the higher split.
Post: Commercial Construction Loans Primer

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Originally posted by @Chris Field:
My bank just wants the land paid for and for the project to appraise. They loan 70% of the value of the completed project as a typical construction loan, than after its done it converts to regular mortgage.
For example the loan I'm doing now:
Finished project value $2,660,000
@ 70% LTV is $1,860,000
I'm putting up the land, this is a very typical structure in my area a lot of rental projects are financed this way.
Pretty much throughout the country the land meets the equity requirements (at least 20-30%) for a construction loan, and since you've probably already bought the land before closing the loan, they give you credit for it.
Where it gets tricky is in situations where you've owned the land for some time and claim that it is now worth X times the original purchase price. I find that as long as the appraiser agrees, you get that credit too.
My cynical view is that the lenders give more credit towards the appraisal than they should, but the regulators require them to get one.